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Author Topic: Ultra long range routes  (Read 2034 times)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2013, 10:20:12 AM »
Meaning ...

ULH is savagely broken basically

Offline Superbenj

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2013, 12:50:13 PM »
Surely once the 787 comes in routes like this should be profitable

Im making money with leased 747s over 6,500NM with reasonable demand and was thinking of stretching my legs futher wit a 777-200ER, on a routed with demand that would outweigh supply by 100+ pax and no competition, is this likely to be suicide, considering Im only scraping in a million or so profit a week currently

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2013, 01:01:19 PM »
ULH is savagely broken basically

Only as broken as it is in the real world of airlines.

Surely once the 787 comes in routes like this should be profitable

Yes, definitely. But still not all.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2013, 01:09:55 PM »
Surely once the 787 comes in routes like this should be profitable

Im making money with leased 747s over 6,500NM with reasonable demand and was thinking of stretching my legs futher wit a 777-200ER, on a routed with demand that would outweigh supply by 100+ pax and no competition, is this likely to be suicide, considering Im only scraping in a million or so profit a week currently

If you made this move I'd leverage every asset I had to short your stock

Offline Infinity

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2013, 01:28:36 PM »
In the previous MT-game, I operated A380s from Kuala Lumpur. Set up with 7-day scheduling, I made in excess of $2 million per week with leased aircraft.

That's because fuel was basically for free in the last MT.

Online schro

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2013, 01:37:06 PM »
Surely once the 787 comes in routes like this should be profitable

Im making money with leased 747s over 6,500NM with reasonable demand and was thinking of stretching my legs futher wit a 777-200ER, on a routed with demand that would outweigh supply by 100+ pax and no competition, is this likely to be suicide, considering Im only scraping in a million or so profit a week currently

The capital cost of the 787 is rather outrageous for the amount of revenue that it can generate and isn't all that profitable when you lease it (expect to pay north of 2m/month).

Keep in mind that the "profit" that you see per plane doesn't include your overhead and fixed costs (most notably staff). Most don't realize this or forget this and wonder why they go bankrupt with a bunch of 744's "making" 500k per week each.

Offline dmoose42

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2013, 01:37:32 PM »
since i did not participate in the last MT - what did fuel average just so i have context as to what free means...

Offline ArcherII

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2013, 02:42:52 PM »
since i did not participate in the last MT - what did fuel average just so i have context as to what free means...

900-1000

Offline Superbenj

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2013, 09:00:26 AM »
900-1000
GAH!!!

I'm raking it in at 350ish, 900 I suspect will kill me quick!

I wish you could hedge for 15 years!

Offline Superbenj

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2013, 02:31:38 PM »
Does anyone know when I'll be able to order the 77W?

Also in my excitement at the thought of getting A380s, I ordered a single one when they came out! Now the delivery queue is already back into 2009, is there anyway I can sell someone my delivery slot, or at worst re-lease the aircraft out once I've received it.

Otherwise I'll be sitting on a one plane fleet type for at least 2 years!

Oh...the woes of the noob!

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #30 on: April 24, 2013, 02:45:25 PM »
buy it, borrow against it, lease it.

Offline Infinity

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #31 on: April 24, 2013, 03:18:43 PM »
Does anyone know when I'll be able to order the 77W?

Also in my excitement at the thought of getting A380s, I ordered a single one when they came out! Now the delivery queue is already back into 2009, is there anyway I can sell someone my delivery slot, or at worst re-lease the aircraft out once I've received it.

Otherwise I'll be sitting on a one plane fleet type for at least 2 years!

Oh...the woes of the noob!

Google the 77Ws real life launch date. It will randomly launch in the game between +/-18 months to that date.

As for the A380, that was a very stupid move as the A380 makes no sense in Boston. You can a) cancel it and kiss off the money or b) pray that you will be able to convert the lease into a direct purchase earlier than 10 months prior to delivery and then either lease it out or sell it on.

Offline Superbenj

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Re: Ultra long range routes
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2013, 04:05:26 PM »
I know! Stoopid :-[

I suspect I cold run it on a couple of my routes, assuming demand rises by 10-20% over the next 7 years or so (or some slots to LHR open!), otherwise I just need to save up another 280 million dollars!

I can't find a date for the 77W but it seems Air France took first delivery in 2004, so I guess I can plan on delivery 2003-2005ish

 

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