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Author Topic: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available  (Read 1401 times)

Offline Superbenj

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No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« on: April 09, 2013, 12:22:20 PM »
Hi

Does anyone know when we're likely to see some more long range aircraft available in the used market?

The only options left at even 5k+ is a single 747SP and a knackered old Tristar!

I've been slowly expanding my airline with 747-400s but the the final 4-5 of these seem to have been snapped up by others, leaving me with limited options other than to wait 2-3 years for new deliveries

Is there normally a trend for older planes to become available again after leases expire 5-6 years into the game and if so, is there anyway to see what aircraft may be coming onto the market?

Online dmoose42

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 12:28:20 PM »
If fuel prices continue to edge higher, we will see more bankruptcies which will push planes out onto the used market. 

In MT there is generally less of a lease expiry effect on the used market compared to say a Jet Age world because the incremental improvements in aircraft are less so there is less fleet switching.

Offline Superbenj

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 12:35:39 PM »
If fuel prices continue to edge higher, we will see more bankruptcies which will push planes out onto the used market.  

In MT there is generally less of a lease expiry effect on the used market compared to say a Jet Age world because the incremental improvements in aircraft are less so there is less fleet switching.

Cheers Moose, I feel bad hoping that people fail though!

Just checked the fuel prices and I'm glad I hedged at $349 now! Its gonna hit me hard when it expires in 4 months though, Im making some quite decent money for a smallish airline at the mo (in my noob eyes anyway)!

Offline Tiberius

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2013, 05:06:52 AM »
Tons of MD-11ER's...and 11's.

Offline Superbenj

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 09:50:10 AM »
I didn't really want another fleet type if I could avoid it and I think they still didn't quite have the legs for my needs

Offline Infinity

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2013, 11:31:27 AM »
Tons of MD-11ER's...and 11's.

Those are not exactly a good choice to add right now. It should rather be a priority for an airline to get rid of those before 9/11, not to add them right now.

Offline Superbenj

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 08:05:40 AM »
Is 9/11 definitely going to occur in this game??

Offline swiftus27

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 10:47:25 AM »
Is 9/11 definitely going to occur in this game??

Not entirely but you can be sure that all MD planes will be inefficient by 2000 and on. 

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 03:49:18 PM »
Don't worry, I'm sticking with 744s for the moment, slowly ordering 777s to replace them over the next decade (if I last that long).

Im more worried now about replacing my A300s, Im leased up for a while on a lot of them, hoping that 767s will be available on the 2nd hand market by the time they run out? Is that a decent plan or should I be considering something else?


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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2013, 05:34:45 PM »
Don't worry, I'm sticking with 744s for the moment, slowly ordering 777s to replace them over the next decade (if I last that long).

Im more worried now about replacing my A300s, Im leased up for a while on a lot of them, hoping that 767s will be available on the 2nd hand market by the time they run out? Is that a decent plan or should I be considering something else?



I almost spit out my drink after reading about a 744 fleet switching to a 777 fleet.   If you don't own your fleet of them, you may as well bankrupt now and start over. 

Offline Andre

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2013, 06:29:56 PM »
Don't worry, I'm sticking with 744s for the moment, slowly ordering 777s to replace them over the next decade (if I last that long).

Im more worried now about replacing my A300s, Im leased up for a while on a lot of them, hoping that 767s will be available on the 2nd hand market by the time they run out? Is that a decent plan or should I be considering something else?



A300-600R is an efficient aircraft type until the end of the game. No worries.
And Swiftus said that all MD aircraft will be inefficient by year 2000.. that's not correct. The MD-90 is also viable until the end of the game, at least they were in the last game.

Offline Infinity

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2013, 09:36:52 PM »
I almost spit out my drink after reading about a 744 fleet switching to a 777 fleet.   If you don't own your fleet of them, you may as well bankrupt now and start over. 

777 actually work since the last update Swiftus.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2013, 10:19:03 AM »
The 772 is actually useful?  They used to be better off placed next to Convairs in the desert. 

Offline Superbenj

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2013, 10:44:26 AM »
I hope so, otherwise Im goosed!

How can they not be more efficient than a 747?!

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2013, 11:52:20 AM »
Just take it from an old vet that the 772 and CRJ1 are the planes that everyone bankrupts using... UNLESS you own them AND you dominate your routes.     There have been many threads about ULH being broken.

Offline Infinity

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2013, 12:26:38 PM »
The 772 still isn't awesome, but the 773 is actually quite good now and I guess that was the one he was talking about taking that he wants to replace 744s with them and the 772 is way too small to do that.

Offline Superbenj

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2013, 09:03:52 AM »
I have 5 200 (2 standard, 3 ERs) on order that I was going to use to sub 747s where Im only getting 70% or so loads and add additional services where the demand is there for one more smaller aircraft.

Am I better off changing the 200s for 300s?

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2013, 09:44:53 AM »
I find that having a mix of 200's and 300's is helpful.  You can run your 200's on a set of routes and once those 'graduate' to 300 capacity you can move the 200's the next set of routes.  It works fairly well in my opinion - but the 777's still work best in a slot constrained airport sso you don't get busted by the 767/A330 crowd as easily.

Offline Infinity

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2013, 09:51:31 AM »
I have 5 200 (2 standard, 3 ERs) on order that I was going to use to sub 747s where Im only getting 70% or so loads and add additional services where the demand is there for one more smaller aircraft.

Am I better off changing the 200s for 300s?

You are getting 70% loads and want to add a second flight? You either expressed yourself wrongly or had a terrible idea here.
Also, why 2 fleets when one can do it? Replace those no good 747s which will kill you eventually with 773s and go with 772s to destinations with less demand or to sub 773 flights.
Operating 747s is a horrible idea in itself, but operating 747s and 772s to complement them makes no sense at all.

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Re: No more Long Range (>6k miles) used aircraft available
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2013, 10:22:28 AM »
Hey safty - have you seen my fleet?  That's what I do ;)

However, in the long-run, I agree with saftfrucht that having both 747 and 777 makes no sense (and the 777 is better so pick that one).  If you are thinking of replacing the 747's with 777 then that makes sense.  If you are getting a lot of lower loads, then the 772 can make sense, but only if you have a lot of 773's in your main fleet.  If your destinations really can't fill a 773, then you are better off with 764 or A330.

 

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