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Author Topic: More aircraft models!  (Read 2432 times)

Talentz

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More aircraft models!
« on: January 23, 2013, 10:27:53 AM »
Soo Sami... since your more open to prototypes and smaller aircraft in AWS game worlds... there's plenty of aircraft out there that would have made decent aircraft if given the light of day. I don't intend to add/send in anything with wings and engines, however I would like to expand the aircraft database and added fun factor for AWS gameworlds.

Here is a list of aircraft that I think would be great to have in AWS. Please look over them and indicate which ones you would approve adding. A number of these aircraft I have books on so, it wouldn't be that hard to get data on.

Avro Canada C-102 Jetliner
Avro Tudor (Type 688 6 Variants)
Avro York (Type 685)
BeechCraft Model 18
BechCraft Queen Air Series (6 Variants)
Boeing 707-330B
Canadair CL-44D (Didnt I send this data in already? >:()
Canadair C-4 Argonaut
DeHavilland DH 114 (Yes.. theres actually 4 Variants, we only have 2!)
DC-3S (Super DC-3)
DC-5
G-159C Gulfstream I-C (Think I submitted data on this one too...)
Junkers G 38
Junkers Ju 52
Lockheed 10 Electra (9 Variants) Amelia Earhart!!
Lockheed Saturn (Model 75)


Anything peaked your interest?



Talentz

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 01:26:06 PM »
Sadly, no...  none of these (less the 330B) will probably be useful in the current sim.

While planes like the Junkers were made in the thousands they're not in the sim.... while planes like the Mercure, which only 14 were built ever, are in.... 

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 08:14:27 PM »
- Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9 which according to Boeing will have commonality with NG models.
- Airbus A320neo series

Pretty please!

Talentz

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 05:35:07 AM »
Sadly, no...  none of these (less the 330B) will probably be useful in the current sim.

While planes like the Junkers were made in the thousands they're not in the sim.... while planes like the Mercure, which only 14 were built ever, are in.... 

Well I am doing the Heron. There's a slightly higher weight version that we don't have. Even if it nets a 50nm increase, I'll take it! Beechcraft Queen Srs would add to our small feeder/commuter aircraft list. The C-4 is interesting and I really like the CL-44D. Think Britannia 320, but bigger and faster.

Most of these aircraft would best be used in the early 50s. So expanding our database to include prewar and postwar early models is the first step towards an even earlier start for AWS gameworlds.

I've always thought for a JA game, we should start at 1950. Currently though, we don't have the aircraft models to diversify our fleets. Adding more aircraft into the database brings to light more options to work with.

- Boeing 737 MAX 7/8/9 which according to Boeing will have commonality with NG models.
- Airbus A320neo series

Pretty please!

Bleh, not sure if there is any reliable data out there besides what A and B say they will do...


Albert

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 12:43:25 PM »
I suppose that is the problem with those early birds, too....

Offline Frederik

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 01:39:48 PM »
I am not sure we need "perfection" in the data whether it be for early aircraft models or future ones (320NEO, 737MAX or others).

What many of us would be interested in I believe is to be able to play a scenario with them to experience what differences (if any!?) these models would produce on the economics of the game and how we need to adapt our game tactics to these new elements.

If needed they could be made part of a distinct scenario knowing that the data would be subject to some caution...

"Past Reality" or is not always what is most interesting in these scenario games as evidenced by the "unreal" fuel prices currently applying in JA7. It just illustrates what could have happened and how this would have changed the aircraft/frequency/price combinations.
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Offline Andre

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 05:07:50 PM »
I don't see a problem with not having 100% accurate data on future or past aircraft models. The data available should be close enough. This game is never going to be 100% accurate anyway. But these models would add a lot of extra playability and fun.

headphase

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2014, 07:08:35 AM »
Since small aircraft are now viable in the sim, could we add a few more models to that category?  I will be more than happy to help with info/picture gathering.

Specifically:

CESSNA 402
TCDS-A7CE (info source)
- 8 passengers
- Max cruising speed 209 KTAS
- MTOW 6,300 lb
- Powerplant 2x Continental TSIO-520-E (300 HP each, piston engines)
- Certified September 1966
- Crew: 1 pilot


CESSNA 402C
TCDS-A7CE (info source)
- 9 passengers
- Max cruising speed 213 KTAS
- MTOW 6,850 lb
- Powerplant 2x Continental TSIO-520-VB (325 HP each, piston engines)
- Certified September 1978
- Crew: 1 pilot


CESSNA 441 Conquest (larger, more powerful than the 402 series)
TCDS-A28CE(info source)
- 10 passengers
- Max cruising speed 293 KTAS
- MTOW 9,850 lb
- Powerplant 2x Garrett TPE331-8 (636 HP each, turboprop engines)
- Certified August 1977
- Crew: 1 pilot


DORNIER DO-28D Skyservant
TCDS-A16EU (info source)
- 14 passengers
- Max cruising speed 165 KTAS
- MTOW 8,160 lb
- Powerplant 2x Lycoming IGSO-540 A1E (380 HP each, piston engines)
- Certified July 1967
- Crew: 1 pilot


ROCKWELL Aero Commander 680-FL

TCDS-2A4 (info source)
- 10 passengers
- Max cruising speed 200 KTAS
- MTOW 8,500 lb
- Powerplant 2x Lycoming IGSO-540 B1A (380 HP each, piston engines)
- Certified May 1963
- Crew: 1 pilot

ROCKWELL Aero Commander 680-T
TCDS-2A4 (info source)
- 10 passengers
- MTOW 8,950 lb
- Powerplant 2x Garrett TPE-331-43 (575 HP each, turboprop engines)
- Certified September 1965
- Crew : 1 pilot

Offline broadbander

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2014, 08:43:19 PM »
Airbus is launching another A320neo family member - currently un-named by Airbus, but being dubbed "A321neoLR" by Leeham News & Comment.

Details a little thin on the ground at the moment - 97 tonnes gross weight, range 3900nm when configured 20C 144Y "The A321neoLR will have about 27% lower trip costs and 24% lower per seat costs than the 757" - Kiran Rao, EVP sales and marketing for Airbus

Offline NovemberCharlie

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2014, 10:13:25 AM »
Also Boeing has launched the 737 MAX200 http://www.newairplane.com/737max/#/737max-200/

Offline Pilot Oatmeal

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2014, 09:07:05 PM »
I'd like to throw in the Evektor outback:

http://www.evektor.cz/en/ev-55-outback.aspx

Reason being as that it's hard to replace 15 seaters as the world moves on, this would be a great addition along with the Dornier 228NG.

Would be happy to help provide data if I was instructed on what data was required.

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2014, 10:17:41 PM »
Still waiting on the 777-8/9s....

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 08:01:04 PM »

Offline jolmstrom

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2015, 12:36:15 PM »
Hi Sami!
I have been thinking of the Fairchild F-27 and the FH-227 recently. They are not in the sim and would probably be quite useful as it would make the wait for delivery of suitable turbo-props shorter during the 60s  while at the same time being in te same fleet-group as the Fokker F27.

Fairchild F-27A: Identical to F27 Mk.100
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_F-27#Design_and_development

Aircraft data for the Fairchild-Hiller FH-227:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_F-27#Specifications_.28FH-227E.29

I searched the forum and didn't see any feedback on it.

Offline Sami

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2015, 12:49:07 PM »
If they are in the same fleet group, then they will go into the same production line (same fleet = same production line and same scheduling group).. And since it's identical, it's not been added for that reason.


edit; from what I read from Wiki, the F-27A is actually not identical with Mk100 F27?  (and the FH-227 could be anyways added as it's their own design)
« Last Edit: February 22, 2015, 12:52:06 PM by sami »

Offline Tim

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A330 neo
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2015, 03:14:55 PM »
May be it's time to add Airbus A330neo? Current MT will end soon, and we'll be happy to fly 330neo in a new MT.

All data could be found here:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-events-single/detail/living-up-to-its-billing-airbus-officially-launches-the-a330neo-programme/#

Offline jolmstrom

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2015, 04:15:58 PM »
edit; from what I read from Wiki, the F-27A is actually not identical with Mk100 F27?  (and the FH-227 could be anyways added as it's their own design)

That may be the case, but I have heard people that are ex Swedair saying that they were the same. Anyways, the FH-227 would be nice to have as it would be a bit larger than the originals. I can put some more effort into the research ;) Regarding fleet-group: is it possible to maybe add two slots/month or is it calculated by the amount of orders?

Offline jolmstrom

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2015, 04:56:39 PM »
I came across the F-27 and FH-227 at fokker-aircraft.info. Didn't thought that they covered those but they did... http://www.fokker-aircraft.info/f27general.htm

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2015, 05:13:34 PM »
Any chance of seeing the 242t A330-300? I know the 242t A330-200 has been added, but I'm waiting for the equivalent -300. And of course the A330-300E and -800 and 900 models too.

Thanks  :)

Offline saetta

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Re: More aircraft models!
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2015, 09:47:33 PM »
I would ad the Sancase Languedoc...many more produced and flown the the DC 5 or Super DC 3 . But the Super 3 is very interesting could give CV and Martins a run for their money

 

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