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Author Topic: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?  (Read 2601 times)

Offline Atlantische Zeiler

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How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« on: November 28, 2012, 12:24:49 AM »
How do people sustain routes that are up to 7500 nm in this game? I saw some airlines using DC-6 and L-649s on these routes.

Offline Mr.HP

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2012, 12:42:29 AM »
Not much profit, but they still earn some extra cash. My Connies make only 3 flights weekly and my gross profit is about 30K

Offline swiftus27

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2012, 12:49:18 AM »
Quit hating on my airline... It's all I can do from crummy Auckland until 1965.

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2012, 03:57:17 AM »
yes, but you do have some marvellous scenery to admire until then... and sheep... lots of sheep :)


Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2012, 01:02:07 PM »
... and sheep... lots of sheep :)

And Hobbits! ;)

Online ZombieSlayer

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2012, 12:18:42 AM »
And Hobbits! ;)

Lots and lots of hobbits....what is the city code for Hobbiton? And how many Baggins' can you fit in a Connie?!
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Offline swiftus27

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2012, 03:16:39 AM »
I smuggle Hobbits into and out of Auckland via one of the 14 seat Doves I am flying.  They're so small they fit into the retractable wheel wells and since I don't fly too high in them, all they need is a blanket to survive the brief chill they will get at ~12,000 feet.

Offline EsquireFlyer

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2012, 04:19:28 AM »
Jets.

brique

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2012, 04:34:46 AM »
I smuggle Hobbits into and out of Auckland via one of the 14 seat Doves I am flying.  They're so small they fit into the retractable wheel wells and since I don't fly too high in them, all they need is a blanket to survive the brief chill they will get at ~12,000 feet.

mmm... that sounds fishy... 14 seat Doves with retractable undercarriages... as for 12,000 feet, poor old crates had trouble reaching take-off speed, never mind gaining height... perfect hobbit-carriers then :)


Offline tcrlaf

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2012, 06:43:26 AM »
Lots and lots of hobbits....what is the city code for Hobbiton? And how many Baggins' can you fit in a Connie?!

DUH...
Depends on how you stack them in the bay, silly....

But remember to NEVER stack them within two inches of the bay roof, so the fire detectors will still work!

Offline ARASKA

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2012, 03:23:40 PM »
I smuggle Hobbits into and out of Auckland via one of the 14 seat Doves I am flying.  They're so small they fit into the retractable wheel wells and since I don't fly too high in them, all they need is a blanket to survive the brief chill they will get at ~12,000 feet.
What about there 6 daily meals?

Offline swiftus27

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2012, 03:37:57 PM »
We have shelob stun them so they're in a pseudo stasis.  There is no inflight entertainment and we cram their hobbit kids in the overhead bins.

Offline [SC] - King Kong

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2012, 06:05:40 PM »
Why you make profit on those long hauls?
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Offline knobbygb

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2012, 04:59:49 PM »
Remember, if there's no competition, you can easily raise price to at least 30% above the suggested value once the route is mature.  Without stopovers you could even go a little higher maybe.

On my JFK-Japan routes a typical financial overview for a Connie is:

Ticket Sales  $51,100
Profit            $15,800

(it flies a shorter route too, so the figures are just for comparison).

Now, when I up the prices of the Japan flights by 30% I get:

Ticket Sales  $65,700
Profit            $29,700

SO a 30% increase in tickets give me approximately an 88% increase in profits.

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2012, 10:16:47 AM »
I'm starting to wonder how you make money on 1800NM routes with a prop. Granted RI is still pretty low but my boredom order of Il-18s might have been a mistake. The last one to arrive is grounded because I can't buy slots. Just started to break even last week with lousy LFs.

Offline chiveicrook

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2012, 01:13:43 PM »
I am making money on 60pax 1700nm routes with Tu104B... Some of them are my best money makers! Il-18 should easily beat them in profits.

The problem with current system is that one absolutely needs to have at least 1 high density medium haul route (300-400pax minumum) to kickstart an airline. Even with RI and CI close to 0 you can get 80%+ LFs. After that you just have to sit through couple months of losses on every route that is under 100 pax.... even with significant marketing (I've tested 50k a week for 3 months) RI rises very slowly.
I can't possibly imagine starting a short-haul low density airline as in previous JAs. It just takes too long to break even...

I'm trying to make Yak-40 work in DoTM. I'm getting 5 pax on 30 pax route :\ With RI over 30 I'm getting 10 pax :/ Lowering prices gave me some more pax but my losses were even bigger so returned to default...
At the same time I dumped 10 Il-18s on a 1000 pax route and I had 80%+ LFs with RI = 0. Rising RI only helps me with business pax and competition.

brique

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Re: How do people make money on 3500+ nm routes?
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2012, 03:46:16 PM »
An RI of 0 defaults at 20% of demand 'knowing about you' : so, if the demand on the route is 4-5 times your seat offer, you should hit solid LF's very quickly : the lower the seat/demand ratio, the worse your LF's are going to be until RI picks up. Absolute worst case is over-supply with zero RI : a recipe for red ink everywhere :(

My experience is that initial pricing tweaks generate far more early pax growth than spending to increase RI does, and is far cheaper and more flexible than a fixed term route campaign : the campaign is either on or off, with a cancel charge : pricing lets you move it up a few points at a time to match growth while the RI grows under its own steam...

 

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