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Author Topic: A350  (Read 2560 times)

claudietto

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A350
« on: October 17, 2012, 06:40:30 PM »
Just wondering, are the figures for A350 correct?
Let's compare it with 787-8 although size is slightly different.

Price:
A350 - 210M USD
B787 - 170M USD

Fuel Burn:
A350 - 4.700
B787 - 4.600

Pax capacity:
A350 - 230 + 20 = 250 max 350
B787 -260 + 20 = 280 max 375

Range
A350 - 8400m
B787 - 7000m

Mainteinance
A350 - A 10k B 25k C 600k
B787 - A 10k B 25k C 600k

So, just to get this straight, A350 is 25% more expensive only to carry less passengers burning more fuel.
Am I missing something here? Yes, there is the range factor, but does it explain it all?

Thanks!

Offline swiftus27

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Re: A350
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2012, 11:26:27 AM »
prices changes often due to # of orders... 

You're also paying for the 1400nm range... if you put this plane on a shorter route then the economics change as the plane doesnt need to bring all that extra fuel just to go further. 

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: A350
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2012, 11:48:00 AM »
In theory the A350 has other advantages. The A350-800 is the smalles available A350. A350-900 and mainly A350-1000 are bigger while still offering good range and, compared to other aircraft, (very) good efficiency.


The 787-8 otherwise is the biggest 787 variant. Here you have the 787-3, a smaller (and less efficient) aircraft for shorter range and the 787-9 with the same size of the 787-3 (330 pax max) but up to 7800nm range.



In fact you can't compare them exactly. The 787 is your best choice if you exactly need the 787-8 as your main aircraft and if you can maybe utilize some 787-3 and 787-9.

The A350 is the best choice if you have longer and bigger routes. A350-900 and A350-1000 are the main aircraft while the A350-800 is just an addition (like the A318 to A320series, the 747SP/747SR to 747 classic etc.).



(this post is based on older figures that haven't been reviewed yet. If sami changed the numbers massively, it's worthless)

Offline ArcherII

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Re: A350
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2012, 02:54:32 PM »
Actually, the 787-9 has been recently modified in AWS (at least in NA Challenge) to better reflect its RL counterpart. Mainly greater pax capacity, although I can't remember correctly maybe to 410Y.

Offline Infinity

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Re: A350
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2012, 03:16:25 PM »
About time. Was pretty silly when it's only advantage was it's greater range.

While I agree that you pay for the greater range of the A350, I would say that in general, the A350 in AWS does not take into account that it seats one more passenger across in economy, which is the main reason the real life A350 has a greater capacity than the 787.
Still, the AWS A350 has viable fuel economy, at least the -900 and -1000s. The only problem is their prices, and with that especially the leasing rates which make it a problematic choice. If they are owned, they are great.

Offline mark320

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Re: A350
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2012, 05:28:37 PM »
The A350 in this game carries too little passengers to make it competitive. What is odd is that payload weights reflect a much higher passenger count. The -1000 is similarly sized to the B773ER but in the game, 80 pax difference!

They should carry 270, 314, 350 respectively as per Airbus site and that's 3 class for all of them. The -800 carries 250 in 2 class in the game!

Well, I am not buying any with those specs, for sure!

Happy New Year to all!!!

PS, Can I have my A321NEO, Pleeese ;D
« Last Edit: December 31, 2012, 05:45:27 PM by mark320 »

Offline Slurve30

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Re: A350
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 04:18:53 PM »
prices changes often due to # of orders... 

You're also paying for the 1400nm range... if you put this plane on a shorter route then the economics change as the plane doesnt need to bring all that extra fuel just to go further. 

So on a given route would the A350 (or any aircraft for that matter) actually burn fewer kg/lbs of fuel/hr than what is listed in AWS specs if it's not flying their max range?

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Re: A350
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 04:29:28 PM »
They should carry 270, 314, 350 respectively as per Airbus site and that's 3 class for all of them. The -800 carries 250 in 2 class in the game!

The passenger amounts for the A350 are correct (or were the time they were added to the database, the Airbus source data may have changed since then). The actual capacity depends on the type of seats you select there. For model -800 for example 3-class of about 270 seats is fully doable if you use standard seating and not premium/lux.
« Last Edit: January 02, 2013, 04:32:23 PM by sami »

Offline mark320

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Re: A350
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2013, 01:38:16 AM »
While the A350-900 has changed to 2 class 315 seats, 48J 267Y  at 60 inch and 32 inch pitch respectively, should be more or lesss the size of a 10 abreast 777-200ER, which in the game it isn't.

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/files/tech_data/AC/Airbus-AC-A350-July11.pdf

Configs are a tricky thing in WBs, especially since both OEMs move the capacities to their advantages, however it is very difficult for the A350-800 to carry less than the B787-8 since it is larger in every dimension. Same goes for the other models. There is a reason Airbus made them a tad larger than the competition ;)

regards,

 

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