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Author Topic: Official: Romney a moron  (Read 7550 times)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2012, 06:36:16 PM »
I live in a concealed carry state...  Loved it when 3 kids tried to rob someone at gunpoint (using a BB gun) and the guy getting robbed blew one of the thieves away...  The two remaining thieves are serving lengthy jail terms for manslaughter.   

exchlbg

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2012, 06:49:12 PM »
You mean the two remaining kids, being guilty of not finished mocked armed robbery were blamed for their buddy being shot by someone else???

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2012, 07:06:46 PM »
Yes, sort of.  It is state law.  All parties part of the illegal act are guilty of it he results of that act.  It's their fault collectively that someone is dead.

Robbing a bank with your hand in your pocket claiming its a gun is still armed robbery.  Using a BB gun at night is also armed robbery.   It isn't easy to tell when you're looking down the barrel of a weapon... The victim pulled his gun and fired.  

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« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 07:15:06 PM by swiftus27 »

Offline [ATA] - lilius

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2012, 07:39:15 PM »
I live in a concealed carry state...  Loved it when 3 kids tried to rob someone at gunpoint (using a BB gun) and the guy getting robbed blew one of the thieves away...  The two remaining thieves are serving lengthy jail terms for manslaughter.   

Manslaughter with a BB gun, by shoking the guy shooting balls into his mouth?
Nothing against letting the kids serve time for robbery but being convicted for manslaughter for pointing a BB-gun must be another crime.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2012, 08:00:16 PM »
Manslaughter with a BB gun, by shoking the guy shooting balls into his mouth?
Nothing against letting the kids serve time for robbery but being convicted for manslaughter for pointing a BB-gun must be another crime.

No.... In the act of committing a felony in Ohio, the other criminals a charged.  This was armed robbery that lead to someone dying.   It doesn't matter if it was a BB gun. 

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2012, 08:40:29 PM »
Swiftus,

I will put you on the spot here:  What is your prediction as far as who will win Ohio?

exchlbg

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2012, 08:51:04 PM »
Thatīs tough. In Germany case would have turned this way: Young criminals would have come away completely free or serving a few social hours, excused because their parents got divorced. Defender would have faced accuse of manslaughter, being in charge to prove that and why he had a gun license and that his life was endangered. Possibly found guilty, having to pay a lot of money for social purposes.

Although I think in both cases there would be not one robbery less happening.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 08:55:35 PM by exchlbg »

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2012, 08:54:45 PM »
Thatīs tough. In Germany case would have turned this way: Young criminals would have come away completely free or serving a few social hours, excused because their parents got divorced. Defender would have faced accuse of manslaughter, being in charge to prove that and why he had a gun license and that his life was endangered. Possibly found guilty, having to pay a lot of money for social purposes.

This makes my blood boil.  Liberalism going too far.  Look up trayvon Martin in Florida.  Very close to what you see above. Also started off as a race murder until they found out the shooter was as Hispanic as Obama is black.  Now it's race profiling.

Lots of America's laws are based on English common law.  A man's castle and all.  You have a right to defend yourself if/when threatened.  If your home is invaded, you should punt face charges for unlawfully discharging a firearm, assault or murder.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 09:01:55 PM by swiftus27 »

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2012, 08:57:12 PM »
Swiftus,

I will put you on the spot here:  What is your prediction as far as who will win Ohio?

Ohio, the 17th state, home to 7 presidents, member of the union for 209 years, will send 15 people to DC in January to all cast their votes for the incumbent.

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2012, 09:22:57 PM »
Ohio, the 17th state, home to 7 presidents, member of the union for 209 years, will send 15 people to DC in January to all cast their votes for the incumbent.

Appreciate the honest opinion.  I hope you are wrong.  :)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2012, 09:28:52 PM »
Appreciate the honest opinion.  I hope you are wrong.  :)

As do I... as do I.  Too many in ohio permanently suckled up to the easy living nipple

exchlbg

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2012, 09:44:57 PM »
"Lots of America's laws are based on English common law.  A man's castle and all.  You have a right to defend yourself if/when threatened.  If your home is invaded, you should punt face charges for unlawfully discharging a firearm, assault or murder."

Germany has lived through "written law doesnīt really exist, but brutally enforced"- times before.So thereīs a reason for Liberalism.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 09:49:22 PM by exchlbg »

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2012, 09:58:24 PM »
"Lots of America's laws are based on English common law.  A man's castle and all.  You have a right to defend yourself if/when threatened.  If your home is invaded, you should punt face charges for unlawfully discharging a firearm, assault or murder."

Germany has lived through "written law doesnīt really exist, but brutally enforced"- times before.So thereīs a reason for Liberalism.

Germany's Basic Law and Japan's Constitution were written during periods of post war.   Both nations lived under autocrats/dictators.  

America's Democratic Left is more Right than Europe's Conservatives.   Socialism only works as long as you have someone else's money to spend.  Plato himself wrote that a democracy can only exist until a majority of people can vote themselves largess out of the treasury.  Americans just caught on late to what has been going on in many European nations for years already.   Greece and Spain are great examples.    'Normal' for a person in Spain to live with parents into their 30s with ridiculous unemployment.   How much longer is Germany going to be able to support Europe?   Probably as long as China will be willing to support the US!?!?!?!?!

exchlbg

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2012, 10:06:59 PM »
Probably.

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #54 on: November 05, 2012, 10:27:13 PM »
Made up crisis. Spain or Greece are still healthier than 160 other countries on this planet. They just suck to Northern European standards.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #55 on: November 05, 2012, 10:34:10 PM »
Made up crisis. Spain or Greece are still healthier than 160 other countries on this planet. They just suck to Northern European standards.

From: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-26/spain-s-unemployment-reaches-record-as-bailout-looms.html

"Unemployment, the second highest in the European Union after Greece, rose to 25.02 percent from 24.6 percent in the previous quarter, the National Statistics Institute said in Madrid today."    

Explain to me how 1/4 unemployment is a made up issue?

Keep in mind that Americans are freaking out over 7.9% unemployment.

Or are you being sarcastic?

brique

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #56 on: November 05, 2012, 11:24:05 PM »
all depends how you define 'employment' and define 'unemployment' ; and you can define either many ways : living at home and working 14hrs a day in the family farm/shop/business 'unpaid' and therefore avoiding taxes, etc counts as unemployment : but a wife who stays at home, but is listed as her self-employed husbands tax-deductable company secretary counts as employed. In the UK, current policy is to list any unemployed under 18yo as 'not in education' and so take them out of the 'unemployed' figures. Likewise, unemployed people who may have been self-employed before, are not listed as unemployed but as 'low-paid in receipt of benefit', and so dont count anymore. During the Thatcher era, they changed how the unemployment figures were calculated over 20 times, every time, it moved them down.

Both Greece and Spain, and Italy too, still have large family-run small-scale agricultural sectors within which family members are not paid wages, they effectively get all their bills paid and pocket money to spend. Its a system that works well, cheap flexible labour, avoids taxes and maintains family bonds, in fact, all the things the more conservative political elements find laudable. It is pretty standard in less-industrialised nations or regions. It just makes comparing 'employment' figures a bit skewed.

Looking at the number of 'working age' people, then deducting the number listed as employed does produce a figure for 'unemployed', but it dont mean none of them are working...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2012, 11:31:59 PM by brique »

Offline LemonButt

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2012, 11:32:50 PM »
Who would be the first not to be armed in that example? The rapist? And if so, you think an attacked woman has any chance opening her purse to search for her purse gun to start shooting and rapist is waiting for her to do so? Who of those two would own that weapon after the act? Sorry, but try to start thinking. I donīt believe national rape numbers have changed or will change or are different from any other civilized country with our without weapons. Same as rest of crime didnīt vanish because you own weapons, on the contrary. Where do you live? In Arkansas 1860? In a brazilian favela?

There are plenty of women who carry concealed weapons.  60% of homes in Alaska have a firearm.  How about YOU start thinking.  Why is it that you never hear about shootings at gun stores or place where people are knowingly armed?  The point isn't whether or not someone actually has a weapon--it's whether or not someone has the opportunity to protect themselves.  Liberals/Democrats want to take away individual rights to do so and trust government agencies (i.e. police) to protect you.  Sure, a woman may not carry a weapon to defend herself.  But which is more effective?  A woman with a weapon or a woman with a cell phone that she can use to call the cops.  The thing about rape is even if she does call the cops, there is a response time and there is nothing that can be done to unrape a woman.

Also, crime does vanish with an armed society.  Guns are illegal in Chicago and guess what city is having a record number of homocides this year?  Only the criminals have guns and innocent people are left defenseless.  I live in North Carolina in the year 2012 BTW and I have a concealed carry permit, but do not carry regularly.  Tell me--are the people in the northeast recovering from the aftermath of Sandy better with or without weapons?  Do you think there is more or less looting of personal property in an unarmed community?

In fact, one of the few banks in the US that allows weapons to be carried into the bank just got robbed and guess what happened?  The bad guys didn't even make it out of the parking lot: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/president-of-troy-mo-bank-pulls-gun-nabs-masked-robber/article_570b4e0b-d461-5e17-8a72-cd4baebc1539.html

I own a Glock 19--the same weapon used in the Aurora movie theater massacre and the Gabrielle Giffords incident.  Tell me, would there have been more or less deaths if there was someone with a concealed weapon at those events?  Would the shooter at the Giffords incident been able to empty his 31 round magazine into the crowd if a law abiding citizen was packing that day and able to respond?

So no, I don't live in 1860 Arkansas or a Brazilian favela--I'm just not naive.  Disarming innocent people does not protect innocent people.

Offline LemonButt

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2012, 11:37:40 PM »
Also re: Trayvon Martin, here in North Carolina it used to be a crime to defend your own home!  If an intruder was breaking into your home, you're allowed to shoot him.  If an intruder was leaving with your stuff, you're allowed to shoot him.  If he is in your house already and not posing a threat to your life and you shot him, you would be guilty of murder.  Thank God they changed that law.  As cops would say, I'd rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

exchlbg

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Re: Official: Romney a moron
« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2012, 11:54:20 PM »
I was certain to be answered this way. America seems to be a nation much more brutal than ours over the Atlantic. Over here itīs pretty normal not to own a weapon and guess what? I donīt feel unsafe at all.
Of course there is crime too, but something like a shoot-out is still a sensation, even if police is shooting, seldom enough.And I live in our biggest city!
Not a great picture you paint about your country.

 

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