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Author Topic: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough  (Read 6680 times)

Offline Sanabas

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AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« on: August 17, 2012, 01:09:46 AM »
I intend to record as much as possible about how I build this airline. Both to see what can be done with just turboprops starting in expensive fuel conditions, and assuming the best (q400/ATR) aren't available, and to later take out the relevant bits and turn it into a startup guide in the general forum. Feel free to post questions, comments, free advice, etc, etc in this thread. I'll do an edited version to be the guide later.

Welcome to AirBettis in Pittsburgh. We've named it after one of the best airline companies for AWS, and one of the best gridiron players for our HQ. :D

Talentz

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 04:48:12 AM »
So I guess I shouldnt base in KPIT then...  :P



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Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 04:58:34 AM »
Why not?

Nothing wrong with competition. And you'll get advance notice of your competitor's tactics. I'm building a 100+ plane, all turboprop airline regardless of who else turns up.   :laugh:

I did actually grab a pair of Q400s to start. All my potential plane choices aren't really available used. So slow growth, order new, and grab Q400s if I see them used will be the plan. I'm not going to try and keep up with the q400 line. And longer term, I should be able to buy out the lease and sell my few q400s at a markup, but beginner me isn't thinking of that, he might just get a pleasant surprise 12 months in. ;)

Talentz

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 05:58:23 AM »
Nah, I have found someone to play with :)

I look forward to your findings though. Should help shed more light on the smaller seat market. Though, didn't Swifty document a test in the small seat category? Has the game mechanics changed that much in a year or so?



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Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 06:05:53 AM »
That was smaller than 50 seaters, I thought. Also more isolated, so limited in size. I think 50 seaters have always been pretty viable, though on the risky side, especially if you try and stop at 5 or 6, and keep them on the tarmac too long.

Price mechanics do make that much difference, too. At least, I think they do. 70 pax route, previously you'd put 2 x 50 seats. Now might put 1 x 50 seats and charge 30% extra. Similar revenue, less overhead. Should work without comp, anyway. I know I've been getting full loads on FCO-LHR in MT7, despite 30% or more markup, as route is only about 80% supplied because of slot constraints.

I'm very confident this will be a successful airline, even with the $800 fuel price on day 1.

Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 06:13:25 AM »
http://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,27374.0.html It was 19 seaters, and only 15 of them. Enough to be week to week profitable (just), but not enough to cover yearly overhead. Essentially, killed by staffing costs, ground handling fees & heavy maintenance. Might be a little better with 40 or 50 19 seaters, but probably not. 50 seaters should be fine, especially as I have no intention of stopping at 15 of them.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2012, 06:19:07 AM by Sanabas »

Talentz

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 06:32:07 AM »
Haha, reading those two threads brings back to memories of the good'ol days when Swifty was a young and upcoming AWS player... optimistic and joyful.

Now look at what the long years of AWS have done to him... Sami, this ones on you.  *shakes head*


ROFL!


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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 10:24:36 AM »
Haha, reading those two threads brings back to memories of the good'ol days when Swifty was a young and upcoming AWS player... optimistic and joyful.

Now look at what the long years of AWS have done to him...

LOOOL  :laugh:
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 01:12:22 PM »
Haha, reading those two threads brings back to memories of the good'ol days when Swifty was a young and upcoming AWS player... optimistic and joyful.

Now look at what the long years of AWS have done to him... Sami, this ones on you.  *shakes head*


ROFL!


Talentz


Im not even in this game .... Geez Talentz...

To answer the question, the Small Airline Test was using Fairchild a/c.    It's less fun than watching mold grow on bread

Offline LemonButt

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 01:38:14 PM »
I've started an all CRJ airline out of CVG--lots of regional demand and high margin short hops.  Hoping to make it with fast expansion using cheap/available CRJs and limited competition on the regional routes.

Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 07:31:18 PM »
I've started an all CRJ airline out of CVG--lots of regional demand and high margin short hops.  Hoping to make it with fast expansion using cheap/available CRJs and limited competition on the regional routes.

That will be an interesting experiment with fuel at nearly $800 already.

I've got 2 q400s, 2 more used and my first AN-140 used, plus ordered 5 new AN-140s, as I'm not getting new Q400s. Will have to be very careful about slot costs.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 08:26:42 PM »
Be careful about encouraging beginners into two fleets so soon mate
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Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 08:30:32 PM »
I'll document it properly, including the costs involved. 2 fleets v 1 isn't too different at this stage of game. And when you get 2 a320s on day 1 of MT, and don't see another for months, you sort of need to go with 2.  ;)

My plan is to have just 1 fleet (AN-140). But I'm using a 2nd, temporary fleet (Q400) to get started.

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2012, 06:59:42 AM »
You should be expecting a bottle of vodka in the mail from Soviet Socialist Airways. We eagerly await your story, comrade.

mean123

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2012, 07:04:48 AM »
Damn, I made the mistake of basing at PIT, i was there first though, if i saw him there i would have gone with Tampa

Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2012, 11:25:34 AM »
Damn, I made the mistake of basing at PIT, i was there first though, if i saw him there i would have gone with Tampa

You weren't there first, I had the place to myself for hours. But I think you're over-rating me a bit. I'm going to run an airline full of 50 seaters, should be very doable for you to be #1 for marketshare, CV, etc in PIT.

RL has been busy this weekend, I've been taking a few screenies, and will post properly in the next couple of days. And just quietly, not being able to buy slots in negative cash has slowed some people significantly. I didn't lease two planes because I needed to get slots first, and I know at least 4 airlines that ran out of money and hat to sit without slots for a few game days or more.

mean123

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2012, 03:37:56 PM »
Thanks for the heads up on the no slots in negative here. I only chose PIT as I personally love the airport, nothing to do with game. By fsr the quickest and easiest airport i have travelled in, I am from London so when you compare PIT with LHR the difference is IMMENSE!

Offline LemonButt

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2012, 02:59:10 PM »
So far good with the CRJ's at CVG.  Earning nearly $1 million/week profit although the leases are $400k/week that haven't kicked in yet.  Need to wait a few more weeks before getting the next CRJ since slots at CVG already cost $400k for a set and will cost me $2+ million for my next aircraft.

Offline Sanabas

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2012, 03:11:13 PM »
Yeah, I just paid over 4 million to schedule 3 planes, and that was making an effort to mostly go to small airports. This would have been somewhat easier if I grabbed half a dozen a320s to start with, or used a smaller airport. 13th plane arrived 10 minutes ago, but I can't schedule it yet, as I'm out of cash from doing the previous 3, and I have no intention of staying awake 4 hours just so I can schedule this one. It can sit idle until I wake up. I was all set to schedule a plane, when a 760k tax deduction from the previous month hit. Bit annoying that. I've had a couple of times now that a plane's been forced to wait 2 weeks before I have enough cash to get it airborne. Wouldn't be so annoying if I wasn't being so aggressive though. Most recent weekly profit was ~1.5 mill on 5.6 mill of revenue, though that's without leases. Staff costs are 20% of revenue, I have more than 1 staff member for every seat I've got. A bit annoying for now, but things look ok for long term.

Offline LemonButt

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Re: AirBettis - An AWS walkthrough
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2012, 04:07:05 PM »
Ditto here.  Got hit with a $1 million tax bill when I only have $2 million profit for the year :(  Tax costing needs to be revamped with the cash-only rule in effect or it's two steps forward, one step back.  In other news, my 1 competitor at CVG (Iksu) has 108 slots at ATL flying 16x daily with Dash-8s plus 10x daily to ORD and 4x daily to CYYZ with Dash-8s...it's a good thing we've slowed down growth due to high slot costs and cash-only, right?

 

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