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Author Topic: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?  (Read 1002 times)

Offline Artem Rodin

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Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« on: August 01, 2012, 09:07:18 PM »
Jet or turboprop?
May be definite aircraft makes sense?
I choose btw Fokker 50, ATR-72, Saab 2000, Bombardier CRJ, Embraer 145, Fokker 70... What is your opinion? Route demands are average from 70-100 paxes...

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 09:12:08 PM »
300nm and less stick with turboprops... The dash8 q will be most popular.

Don't ever use tps on flights longer than 500nm.  Also never have hd pax on a flight over 2 hrs long.

Avoid the crj1. 

Offline Dasha

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2012, 10:38:38 PM »
If there is demand for them (70 or more), the BAe 146 or Fokker 70/100 are pretty good for me. Avoid the CRJ's at all cost.

I don't know if the Fokker 70 is better than a turboprop but for me, those props are too slow on routes of 500 nm or more. So rather than having 2 different types, a short range prop and a long range jet, go for one type, the jet.

Unless you want to fly only routes below 500-600 nm, then props are better I think.
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Offline ekaneti

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2012, 02:30:34 PM »
For under 500 nm, Saab 2000 is the best plane in the game. I go with standard seating 51 seats. High speed and fuel efficient. CHeaper than the Q400

mavi

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2012, 03:39:56 PM »
I'm not a big fan of flying regional planes on routes you can't fly at least 3 times a day, but if you are going to do it, I would probably go with the E145s, as they have commonality with future embraer planes that will be released later.

I agree with the general sentiment about not using turboprops over a certain distance, but disagree that its a hard limit--Dash 8s and Saab 2000s are significantly faster than other turboprops, so they can be flown much farther than say an ATR while staying competitive with jets.

Offline Sanabas

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2012, 03:53:53 PM »
I'm not a big fan of flying regional planes on routes you can't fly at least 3 times a day, but if you are going to do it, I would probably go with the E145s, as they have commonality with future embraer planes that will be released later.

No, they don't. The 170/190 are a separate fleet group to the 130/140. The 145 is the best of that 2nd group, the 135 & 140 are even smaller. The 145 and the CRJ100/200s are nearly identical in spec. I wouldn't touch either of them.

In past games, I'd say the ATR, Saab, Q400 and An-140 are all excellent. Good speed, cheap fuel, and 1000 NM+ range on 3 of the 4. You can fly an 800 NM route 3 times/day in the Saab, and around 600-650 NM 3 times/day in the ATR or Antonov.

With the new pax allocation and the small plane warnings, they'll still be pretty good, but it probably makes some of the smaller, longer routes less feasible. Then again, maybe not. Rome-Malaga is 835 NM, no warning in a Saab, but gives one for the other 2. Rome-Hamburg is 716 NM, no warnings in any of the 3. So a big fleet of An-140s/ATRs/Saabs covering everything of 40+ pax out to 800 NM definitely looks feasible. Just no more flying ATRs from Moscow-Madrid.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2012, 04:02:17 PM by Sanabas »

mavi

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2012, 04:07:05 PM »
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No, they don't. The 170/190 are a separate fleet group to the 130/140.

I stand corrected. 

Offline Mr.HP

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 03:05:39 PM »
If there is demand for them (70 or more), the BAe 146 or Fokker 70/100 are pretty good for me. Avoid the CRJ's at all cost.

The 145 and the CRJ100/200s are nearly identical in spec. I wouldn't touch either of them.

Avoid the crj1. 
 

Would anyone please explain why CRJ's should be avoided?

Thanks

Offline Sanabas

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Re: Best regional plane for short-to-medium routes up to 1100nm?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 03:19:02 PM »
Because they use a lot of fuel to carry 40 passengers. Because they're small, they're only really useful on short routes. On those short routes, the speed advantage of a jet vs a fast turboprop isn't actually very much. On a ~600NM route, the CRJ needs 6:15 for the round trip. Saab needs 6:45, ATR needs 7:40. The Saab carries 10% more passengers, and the CRJ uses roughly 50% more fuel, and costs at least 20% more for lease payments.

The CRJ700 & above aren't quite as terrible as the 100/200. But I'd still avoid them.

 

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