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Author Topic: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?  (Read 1827 times)

737Capt

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737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« on: June 06, 2012, 01:12:11 PM »
Seriously??  Airplane was just announced and launches in 1984 and my first delivery is 1988??  This game is broken IMHO.  Takes away from the fun aspect of the game.

Offline Sami

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 01:19:16 PM »
Seriously, sorry, you are sounding like a broken record. Since your posts seem to be all about "this and that feature taking out the fun" and so forth?

In real world 737-300 was launched in 3/81, and first deliveries happened in 11/84, that's a 3,5 year gap between the two. In the sim we have a certain window for the plane manufacturing dates compared to real life, as you can read from the manual. This prevents players guessing when the plane is out and setting their alarms for it, which would seriously ruin the "fun" factor for majority. And with the randomized release date of B733 the difference between launch and 1st delivery date is still exactly the same as it was in real life (or what is set to master database that is ..) - just the random factor added.


edit: Oh well, I misread part of your message. You were referring to the delivery date of YOUR order, and not the first delivery, sorry.

As you see, even with the randomized settings for the dates, the order books fill in extremely quickly. There are 844 pending orders for the aircraft. The order books are NOT filled in at first-come-first-served basis fully, but the system will leave gaps for new orders for players to get the first planes more quickly. BUT when the orders exceed certain numbers (like now) there is simply no space for the gaps anymore as it would make the queue ultra-long.. But if you look at the delivery lists in 1988 and 1989 you can see the principle. And I would also guess that when -400 and -500 variants are introduced the production rate will go up, pushing the order dates forward.


edit2: typos.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2012, 01:30:29 PM by sami »

juanchopancho

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 01:25:59 PM »
Your 1st delivery is 1988 because there are already 800+ orders. Sucks to be late to the party.

Offline [SC] - King Kong

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 01:41:59 PM »
Yes Sami,
When I had money I went bankrupt. Now I have no money and the plane is launched. Taking away all fun...  ;D

I suggest that the dude up here realises that also other airlines order a plane and that is how the game works. The 732 will be widely available and still be very competitive so stop whining.

737Capt

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 01:44:04 PM »
Seriously, sorry, you are sounding like a broken record. Since your posts seem to be all about "this and that feature taking out the fun" and so forth?

In real world 737-300 was launched in 3/81, and first deliveries happened in 11/84, that's a 3,5 year gap between the two. In the sim we have a certain window for the plane manufacturing dates compared to real life, as you can read from the manual. This prevents players guessing when the plane is out and setting their alarms for it, which would seriously ruin the "fun" factor for majority. And with the randomized release date of B733 the difference between launch and 1st delivery date is still exactly the same as it was in real life (or what is set to master database that is ..) - just the random factor added.


edit: Oh well, I misread part of your message. You were referring to the delivery date of YOUR order, and not the first delivery, sorry.

As you see, even with the randomized settings for the dates, the order books fill in extremely quickly. There are 844 pending orders for the aircraft. The order books are NOT filled in at first-come-first-served basis fully, but the system will leave gaps for new orders for players to get the first planes more quickly. BUT when the orders exceed certain numbers (like now) there is simply no space for the gaps anymore as it would make the queue ultra-long.. But if you look at the delivery lists in 1988 and 1989 you can see the principle. And I would also guess that when -400 and -500 variants are introduced the production rate will go up, pushing the order dates forward.


edit2: typos.

Sami, that is kind of my point.  In real life you do not have 400+ airlines all starting at the same time and all trying to build an airline from scratch.  I like the way you have the que system setup as far as airlines do not get to fill up all of the first positions available but that they get spread out over a period of time.  What I personally do not like is the fact that if your sleeping and a new aircraft gets released you are already 4 years behind everyone else.  This is not realistic by any means not that realism ultimately important to me when playing your game.  But the current setup does take away from the enjoyment of the game.  Once again that is my opinion and I would like to think as someone who has supported your game since the very first one, you would be interested to hear my opinions and consider how you can improve it?

Offline AndiD

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 02:15:17 PM »
I actually draw enjoyment from it - long-term strategic decisions about best and second-best options for fleet renewal/expansion, quite some time distance between decisions and outcome, join the fray like everyone else and order 50 right away, or go a different route and still be competitive. Maybe use second-best planes, but earlier, more of them, or with greater flexbility - maybe use planes with different strengths coming into play later and "ride out" the old fleet... and in the end maybe it works, and maybe it doesn't. All part of the business...

Offline [SC] - King Kong

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 02:17:09 PM »
I partly agree with this dude. Altough its part of the game, why dont we think of a way we can prevent the big boys to queue up first. Maybe setting a max of aircraft they can order. Ie 20 in the first 6 months. and after 6 months another 30. Maybe you also slow down the growth of them. Maybe that ruins their game. just a suiggestion.

Btw. I have a broken record, I let it lie in the sun for half an hour and now it's not straight anymore. Means my record is broken ... :( Bruce springsteen record RIP 8)

Offline Emaw Jones

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 02:51:21 PM »
 What I personally do not like is the fact that if your sleeping and a new aircraft gets released you are already 4 years behind everyone else.


So quit working, never sleep, and you will always have the first bid on a new aircraft type.  :D

Offline Jona L.

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 03:33:15 PM »
So quit working, never sleep, and you will always have the first bid on a new aircraft type.  :D

Welcome to the world of Curse and me ;D (and some others, that basically never go offline)

whereas Curse won't play in near future (not until long game he said IIRC) and I started to work, and can't dedicate enough time to AWS anymore...

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 03:38:36 PM »
Guys, be patient. In DOTM3, the production rate of the 737-3/4/5 line topped out at over 30 frames a month (34, IIRC) and we are at 17 a month now. The production rate will increase and those who are patient will get 737-300's in 1985.

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Offline Emaw Jones

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 03:59:29 PM »
I'm not worried about 737's of any flavor in 1985.

I'll be lucky to have the funds to afford a used Piper Cub by than  ;D

Caesius

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 04:03:15 PM »
Seriously??  Airplane was just announced and launches in 1984 and my first delivery is 1988??  This game is broken IMHO.  Takes away from the fun aspect of the game.
I actually think this just adds another challenge to the game. Sometimes you'll have to adjust your strategy as you cannot get the equipment you want when you want it. Take a look at the F27 and the A748. If you take a look at the data, you'd say the F27 is the better aircraft (more range, faster, lower fuel burn and unit price), but the A748 is really a great aircraft. If done well you can give the competition a run for their money on certain routes, even if they're flying jets and you are not.

juanchopancho

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 05:41:49 PM »
Or Airwaysim could implement order options.

If you have 50 737-200Adv you could have the option to change a portion of that to the newer model, obviously after the new model is available. Or even in reverse, the option to downgrade say from a -900 to a -800.

Caesius

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 05:47:46 PM »
Or even in reverse, the option to downgrade say from a -900 to a -800.
I believe you actually can up/downgrade your orders depending on the aircraft type.

juanchopancho

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 05:57:08 PM »
Oh, can you upgrade a 737-200Adv order to a 737-300?

Caesius

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2012, 06:12:06 PM »
Oh, can you upgrade a 737-200Adv order to a 737-300?
No, that's a different type (commonality). It is possible to change a B733 order to a 734 or 735 order AFAIK. Sami, can you confirm?

Offline ArcherII

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 06:34:03 PM »
No, that's a different type (commonality). It is possible to change a B733 order to a 734 or 735 order AFAIK. Sami, can you confirm?

It is possible if all types are available. If not, as it is in this case where the 734 and 735 are not yet launched, then if you order 50 B733 you won't be able to convert that order to 734 or 35.

juanchopancho

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2012, 06:44:47 PM »
No, that's a different type (commonality). It is possible to change a B733 order to a 734 or 735 order AFAIK. Sami, can you confirm?

It's the same production line so order options should be available.

Caesius

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 07:31:46 PM »
No it isn't. Its divided into:
-B737-100/200
-B737-300/400/500
-B737-600/700/800/900

The B737 isn't a single production line just because all aircraft are 737's. There's quite a difference between the 3 groups.

juanchopancho

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Re: 737-300 Delivery in 1988?
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2012, 08:08:34 PM »
duh I'm not saying the NGX is the same as a -200Adv.

In the real world they all came off the same production line at Renton so the option to upgrade or downgrade should be available. There would/should be conditions and costs associated with any order modification.

 

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