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Author Topic: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes  (Read 1333 times)

unsaid

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A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« on: June 05, 2012, 08:48:32 PM »
I've been using many A321-200s on routes 3500-4000 nm. They absolutely kill the competition, but I'm not sure if they are making decent profits, as they should. Anyone has experience in this?

Offline swiftus27

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2012, 09:40:40 PM »
Wow, a narrow body is better at long haul than wide bodies?! 

This sounds exactly like the 757-200 nonsense....

Offline Jona L.

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2012, 10:39:44 PM »
Wow, a narrow body is better at long haul than wide bodies?!

welcome to the world of the following:

you, schro (757), Jumbo Shrimp (A320) and many more....  or to generalize: AWS, where reality only plays a role of mediocre importance (avrg) ... actually none, or if admin decides 100% ;)

cheers ;D

juanchopancho

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 03:24:22 AM »
A321s can fly 4000nm? Really?

& why are 747-300s flying MACH .82? It should be in the .85/.86 range, LRC would be .84.

unsaid

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 08:56:04 AM »
so I shouldn't use them on longer routes? Is that frowned upon or something?

Offline Jona L.

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 01:12:16 PM »
A321 can fly 9000NM, if you have the 3000NM range variant and find ideal stopovers...

I condemn such players though, but most people don't give a sh*t, and just frequency rape the f*ck out of the other airlines...

Offline schro

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 01:24:42 PM »
so I shouldn't use them on longer routes? Is that frowned upon or something?

There's nothing wrong with using them on longer routes. You should use the most economical plane that you have available for the routes that you want to fly. In some cases. that means a tech-stopping A321 will be more profitable than a larger gauge aircraft. Just realize that the farther you go, the less profitable the plane will be.

A321 can fly 9000NM, if you have the 3000NM range variant and find ideal stopovers...

I condemn such players though, but most people don't give a sh*t, and just frequency rape the f*ck out of the other airlines...

And just because you're vocal about your personal condemnation of the practice doesn't mean that a vast majority of players frown upon it. The use of the smaller gauge aircraft isn't about the frequency - its about the best economic decision for the airline at the time. I've shown again and again that going for frequency over low cost per seat isn't any more profitable even with higher load factors.

I can review the DOTM economics for a tech-stopping 757 real quick (very ballparked from  memory though) - 757-200 - 50m to acquire, ~3800nm range, 8-9k lbs/fuel hour, 201 pax (in standard). L1011-500 - 80m to acquire, ~5000nm range, 15k lbs/fuel hour, ~250 pax. DC10-30 - 70-80m to acquire, ~5000nm range, 15k lbs/fuel hour, ~300 pax.  Quick back of the envelope math tells me that I can fly 402 passengers on 2x 757s for about the same COST as flying 250-300 passengers on a widebody (figuring staffing is about the same going from 3 man xlarge crew to 2man large). So, if costs are roughly the same, but there's 33-40% more revenue potential, you'd be silly not to do it.

Now, as the years progress into MT scenarios, it becomes a bit more difficult for the math to turn out favorably when you're comparing to an A333, 787, etc, but in DOTM, its a rather valid strategy in my mind unless some changes are made to the simulation.

Offline SAC

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Re: A321-200 on 3500 nm routes
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2012, 08:05:00 PM »
I flew E190's transatlantic in MT5, so A321's are like A380's compared to those   :laugh:     So the moral is....it's a game....do as you wish.   If A321's / 757's tech stopping long haul helps you win the route then so be it.  If others do not like it well to be brutally honest its tough....they need to adapt to the competition on offer !    If somebody out frequencies a domestic 767 of mine with a few 320's then I will react by changing the single 767 to 5 or 6 daily E-jets....that soon sorts it out.  Alternatively I could leave the 767 getting hammered and just moan about it.  I prefer the pro-active approach despite how far removed the tactic maybe from real life....as I said above - its a game  ;D
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