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Author Topic: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)  (Read 9130 times)

Offline dmoose42

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #40 on: June 19, 2012, 02:35:31 PM »
See below on new planes that will be arriving.

YAK-42D (108 economy standard config, 126 max) with 1570 range arrives around 1990.
TU-154M (156 economy standard config, 180 max) with 2130 range arrives around 1984.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #41 on: June 19, 2012, 02:45:53 PM »
See below on new planes that will be arriving.

YAK-42D (108 economy standard config, 126 max) with 1570 range arrives around 1990.

Ask Pai how those went he ran a load out of Atlanta (last DOTM?). May be able to help you.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Caesius

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2012, 12:27:05 PM »
I've noticed a lot of new (russian) airlines start (and fail) with a fragmented fleet, with more than 3 or 4 different aircraft. This is virtually impossible due to the higher operating cost of russian aircraft combined with the increased commonality cost of >2 aircraft types.

Offline Artem Rodin

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #43 on: June 25, 2012, 02:03:38 PM »
Tu-154M now available for orders, but I wasn't fascinated about its fuel burn and maintenance costs.

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2012, 07:05:38 PM »
I'm getting killed off by F-27s. BK is imminent when emergency countermeasures inevitably fail. More on that later; my choice of aircraft are not to blame for this.

claudietto

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2012, 08:09:13 PM »
I'm getting killed off by F-27s. BK is imminent when emergency countermeasures inevitably fail. More on that later; my choice of aircraft are not to blame for this.
How would you say so already? Your airline value is still t 110 USD Million, do you really see no hope for you?

Offline Artem Rodin

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2012, 08:44:40 AM »
Now I'm back in Koltsovo with only one Yak-42 in my fleet. Last week are pretty stable and my airline is making profit! Not so much, but nevertheless it is a profit. (5-40k $)
I have a pretty tough question! Is it worth to buy another one Yak-42 to perform flights to Moscow Sheremetyevo and possibly Domodedovo? Look please at route planning. There are one airline which covering passengers' demand in SVO fully and a huge 2-airline rivaly in DME with overcover of demand. But, nevertheless, demand in DME is huge. May be I have chance to operate successfully to DME?
My Yak-42 is making solid profit with around 60-70% of LF on that route range (800nm).
Otherwise I will wait until Soviet Union breaks and will fly from Koltsovo Int. flights. (Not sure, if it will be possible after 1991).

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2012, 09:38:26 AM »
Huzzah! I made a profit this week of $500k! Of course that's with mass layoffs, a 60% cut in advertising and suspending my long-haul division but hey. The bread lines are pretty long too and most of us don't get any.

Online Emaw Jones

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2012, 12:47:51 PM »
Comrade, is it true?

I just read in Pravda that corruption in your middle management has been "misplacing" rubbles.  Now the masses are demanding you open your books for review by the KGB.

Well at least failure results in public trial these days, so all is not lost.  Maybe glastnost isn't so bad afterall.


mar88

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2012, 10:15:13 PM »
Would anyone like me to purchase some Soviet aircraft and lease them out cheap?

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #50 on: June 29, 2012, 09:28:15 AM »
There's no money in the bank and I have something like $78,000,000 in outstanding loans but I am still making money most weeks so as the only Soviet airline to start on day one and get to this point without bankruptcy I will keep this thing running until they pry it from my cold dead hands even if it means not testing the Tu-154M. I owe it to my fallen comrades of Red Star as one of only two members to ever maintain a positive company value.

As far as the details, I believe I proved the Tu-134 series to be effective and competitive. Taking advantage of the smaller plane and frequency advantages I was able to force several huge airlines out of Sheremetyevo to give up on their lucrative routes to my secondary base at Leningrad and briefly dominated before the F-27s arrived. (last I checked, I still have the best frequency and highest market share albeit with poor returns) I also made short work of half a dozen challengers to my HQ at Domodedovo. It got to a point that most of them focused on routes my 134s couldn't reach until I began flying my owned 154B-2s against their 727s and A300s with devastating effect.

It's fitting that I should be brought so low by similar tactics. I understand the frequency bonus but the smaller plane thing will never make sense to me. I've never met anyone who prefers smaller planes, especially if we are talking a tiny turboprop vs a massive jumbo jet but I'm sure that has been argued a thousand times over. I just want to make it clear that if I do go down it will be due to aggressive competition, not my choice of aircraft. If the Tu-134 wasn't profitable, I would never have been able to direct purchase my Tu-154B-2s for a good sixty million dollars over the last two years. I'm told the Tu-134A is the smallest aircraft in the game that is able to have business class, that alone is a huge advantage that may outweigh the higher operating costs.

In addition to my 134s, I also tested the Tu-154B series. I operated two leased 154Bs and four owned 154B-2s. The standard Bs proved to be very lucrative despite the expense of their leases once LF got over 70%, covering costs for each month in the first week. I had the B-2s on long-haul domestic routes, often with a tech stop to reach high demand airports in the far east. These also proved viable despite the massive fuel expense of flying so far once the route image maxed out; in the early days they always lost money until LF built up, again to around 70% for healthy profits.

I will also admit that one other factor in my current troubles are some poor decisions on my part. Most of my leased 134s were ordered new in the early years for $90k or less a month. However, when the lines started to close during a moment of low cash flow I panicked a little and ordered as many 134As as I could for my 2nd base. These came at a much higher leasing cost and while somewhat viable did not have the best routes. They will always have too many empty seats. I also may have been over-eager to get into the long-haul market with 154s. I had a concern that the 154M might be a long way off and a lot of money in the bank so I launched the B-2 hoping direct purchases would cover start-up and maintenance costs. My 2nd leased 154B was actually ordered by mistake and had to serve less than perfect routes which also hurt my bottom line. Once I had six 154s flying, the commonality costs did become acceptable and most of the planes were doing well but if I had been more patient I could be sitting on a gigantic nest egg while looking forward to serving the same long-haul routes without tech stops using the 154M. I fear that model may never be tested thoroughly this round thanks to the hole I dug myself.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 09:32:28 AM by Troxartas86 »

Offline Artem Rodin

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #51 on: June 29, 2012, 03:08:04 PM »
Looks like things go better in Koltsovo with Yak-42s. Company value started to grow. Will fall significantly after C-check next month, but nevertheless! I own only 2 a/c, because not so many routes with demand 70+ and range up to 1100 nm are available from Koltsovo. But these routes keep me going, not to going BK.

Now, my goal is survive until Soviet Union will break down. Hope that international flights will be available from my base airport then...
« Last Edit: June 29, 2012, 03:12:23 PM by Artem Rodin »

Offline AndiD

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2012, 04:18:00 PM »
If it's the same data as in the MT game, 50% shorthaul and 10% longhaul (the latter is too insignificant, to make any routes worthwhile, though). :)

Offline Artem Rodin

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2012, 04:38:50 PM »
If it's the same data as in the MT game, 50% shorthaul and 10% longhaul (the latter is too insignificant, to make any routes worthwhile, though). :)

Thanks, may be second base will be an option...
How are you doing in Vilnius?

Offline AndiD

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2012, 04:53:13 PM »
Steady and stable with three owned Antonovs - looking forward to the fall of the Iron Curtain. Wouldn't have had time for full attention at time the game world launched, so I'm saving up nicely until I can fly all over Europe. :)

Offline Name_Omitted

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2012, 05:16:21 PM »
For the record, back in Beta (and soon thereafter) I had my lunch handed to me routinely by a chap who flew the 154's short-haul in the early 80's.  I don't know how competitive it stands, but it had that was when we could do abcba routing, so we had several legs to compete on.  My Boeings could not compete with the sheer volume of tin he could throw in the air.  Late in the game, Antonov has a brilliant performer (the 140, I think), which can go toe to toe with Western aircraft due to lower lease costs.  It's one of my favorite aircraft in the game.

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2012, 10:25:35 PM »
Things appear to have stabilized, especially thanks to people leasing my 154s. I am covering my expenses and should be out of debt in a month or so. Upper management has been released from the gulag.  :)

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2012, 05:33:11 AM »
Finally back in the green!

Online Emaw Jones

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2012, 03:46:33 PM »
Finally back in the green!

Saw that and had two immeadiate thoughts cross my mind:

1)  Your my Hero!!

2)  What is this green you speak of.


Multipule choice responses, you dont see that everyday!!   Congrats, maybe someday I will learn how to play this thing.


Offline Troxartas86

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Re: A Real Soviet Airline (foolish experiment)
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2012, 12:57:45 AM »
There are two things in the Soviet Union you can count on: bread shortages and Soviet Socialist Airways.

 

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