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Author Topic: B777-200ER  (Read 7670 times)

Ansettaddict123

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #60 on: April 03, 2012, 04:51:37 PM »
When? 2020?

 :laugh:

I couldnt agree more

Offline mark320

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2012, 11:31:52 PM »
So what was the outcome? Did those with the popcorn have to scramble or the Boeing 777777 Boosters manage to dodge the bullet?

C'mon tell us about it ;D

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #62 on: May 04, 2012, 12:44:18 AM »
Erikas1 is no longer with us, but it is not because of lack of profitability.  His airline was #1 in CV (out of LHR).  He pretty much owned LHR (and all its slots) so the 777 were not exposed to much competition.  He closed his airline before the fuel hit $1100.

But he was not really the best test case.  He owned his 777s, and operated out of LHR.  Running leased 777s from a more average airport such as DTW, EWR is a better test case. 

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #63 on: May 04, 2012, 12:53:48 AM »
Erikas1 is no longer with us

He died!!??
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Offline JumboShrimp

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« Reply #64 on: May 04, 2012, 01:20:56 AM »
He died!!??

I should have said no longer with us in MT6.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2012, 01:22:19 AM »
but it is not because of lack of profitability. 

Guess it was his real life commitments then...
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Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #66 on: May 04, 2012, 01:28:36 AM »
Guess it was his real life commitments then...

Probably.  It certainly was not the poor state of his airline.  His airline was #1 in the game.  #1 in CV, that is...

Offline alexgv1

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« Reply #67 on: May 04, 2012, 02:13:52 AM »
Probably.  It certainly was not the poor state of his airline.  His airline was #1 in the game.  #1 in CV, that is...

Yeah I've just never heard someone leave a game so dramatically... he is no longer with us... LOL
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Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #68 on: May 04, 2012, 02:54:05 AM »
Yeah I've just never heard someone leave a game so dramatically... he is no longer with us... LOL

Maybe he was just pro-active.  Knowing he would not be able to manage the airline, he pulled the plug himslef, rather than let the airline deteriorate and either bankrupt or be closed because of no activity...

Offline jejudo

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #69 on: May 04, 2012, 06:02:13 AM »
I'm flying out of Narita with some heavy competition and I must admit that the B777-200ER/LRs are not working out too well for me. If I were to lease them at market prices, they would be losing me money. I have them scheduled 5 flights per week, flying 18.1h/day, on routes 4490 -5877 NM (only 1 is < 5000 NM). All routes have 100 image and my CI is 54 and rising. My average profit from last week is $300,000. That's not even enough to cover the leasing cost.

Considering that in real life these planes (especially the B777W) are profitable, this begs the question as to what would be the best seating configuration for the B777s in AWS? I've configured my B777-200ERs in 250 standard Y, 30 premium C, and 4 premium F. Similarly, real airlines configure their B777Ws with a much higher proportion of C seats (like 280 Y, 40 C, 8 F). I haven't tried this on these planes yet because they are doing reasonably well in their stadard configuration (though I am leasing them for only 1 million a month  :)).
« Last Edit: May 04, 2012, 06:06:19 AM by jejudo »

Offline Infinity

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #70 on: May 04, 2012, 08:29:36 AM »
Maybe he was just pro-active.  Knowing he would not be able to manage the airline, he pulled the plug himslef, rather than let the airline deteriorate and either bankrupt or be closed because of no activity...

This is exactly what happened. He could no longer afford the time to manage his airline, so he closed it up front.

However, I am still up and running very well with most (98 of 104) of my T7s leased and a ton of routes longer than 6k nm.

Considering that in real life these planes (especially the B777W) are profitable, this begs the question as to what would be the best seating configuration for the B777s in AWS? I've configured my B777-200ERs in 250 standard Y, 30 premium C, and 4 premium F.

This game doesn't feature cargo, so a cargo-heavy plane like the T7 does not play up to its natural potential.

Protip: premium seats suck. Put them out and put standard seats in, your revenue will skyrocket.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2012, 08:32:20 AM by saftfrucht »

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #71 on: May 04, 2012, 10:07:41 AM »
I'm flying out of Narita with some heavy competition and I must admit that the B777-200ER/LRs are not working out too well for me. If I were to lease them at market prices, they would be losing me money. I have them scheduled 5 flights per week, flying 18.1h/day, on routes 4490 -5877 NM (only 1 is < 5000 NM). All routes have 100 image and my CI is 54 and rising. My average profit from last week is $300,000. That's not even enough to cover the leasing cost.

Considering that in real life these planes (especially the B777W) are profitable, this begs the question as to what would be the best seating configuration for the B777s in AWS? I've configured my B777-200ERs in 250 standard Y, 30 premium C, and 4 premium F. Similarly, real airlines configure their B777Ws with a much higher proportion of C seats (like 280 Y, 40 C, 8 F). I haven't tried this on these planes yet because they are doing reasonably well in their stadard configuration (though I am leasing them for only 1 million a month  :)).

Ditch the premium seats. With standard seating you can configure your 772s for 300Y 40C 5F or even better 240Y 64C 10F.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #72 on: May 04, 2012, 11:13:28 AM »
Hold on.... wait a minute....
Did the person I was 'angering' fall under the weight of the 777?

Offline Infinity

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #73 on: May 04, 2012, 01:53:21 PM »
Not quite, hun.

Offline Jona L.

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #74 on: May 04, 2012, 02:47:48 PM »
Hold on.... wait a minute....
Did the person I was 'angering' fall under the weight of the 777?

I think, John, now is the time, that we can enjoy the popcorn, with the movie running ;D

Offline Infinity

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #75 on: May 04, 2012, 03:18:17 PM »
Well, as long as my T7s still fly with a 2-Million-a-week profit, I think you will need a jumbo-sized popcorn bucket that will last to the end of this MT game.

Offline jejudo

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #76 on: May 04, 2012, 09:40:54 PM »
Thanks saftfrucht and ArcherII. I'm going to try an experiment and verify this. I've switched almost half of my B777s to an all standard configuration and so my fleet now looks like this:

2 x B772: 270 Y, 48 C, 10 F
1 x B772: 300 Y, 40 C, 5 F
4 x B772: 250 Y, 30 C (premium), 4 F (premium)

and

1x B773: 340 Y, 64 C, 10 F
3x B773: 350 Y, 25 C (premium), 10 F (default)

I'll give it a few game weeks and let you guys know.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #77 on: May 05, 2012, 11:36:54 AM »
where's fuel at right now? 

Also understand a $2mm profit per week is alot less than you think.  Under one million they are quite possibly losing money as those aircraft screens do not include alot of the fixed costs of the company.   This is one major reason that this screen is often deceiving.  Players can have every airplane in the green but lose money overall.   

Offline jejudo

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #78 on: May 18, 2012, 06:12:54 PM »
Man, you guys are right. With an all standard configuration, the B777s are awesome!

For purchased B777-300ERs, my weekly profit is $1.5 - 2.0 million.
For purchased B777-200ER/LRs, my weekly profit is $1.0 - 1.2 million.

Current fuel prices are $970 - $1,022. My CI is 90 and RI is 100. Most routes have competition with B767s. Quantity over quality! Thank god real airlines don't configure their B777s so tightly  :P

Offline Infinity

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #79 on: May 18, 2012, 09:33:16 PM »
Man, you guys are right. With an all standard configuration, the B777s are awesome!

For purchased B777-300ERs, my weekly profit is $1.5 - 2.0 million.
For purchased B777-200ER/LRs, my weekly profit is $1.0 - 1.2 million.

Current fuel prices are $970 - $1,022. My CI is 90 and RI is 100. Most routes have competition with B767s. Quantity over quality! Thank god real airlines don't configure their B777s so tightly  :P

Well - awesome is quite a thing to say. They do okay if used right. No more - but no less either. They are not the bankruptcy guarantor they are being made by 'certain users'.
However, those users are very right in saying that a 772 making a USD 1M weekly profit is not exactly profitable. Leased 777s on a million profit operate on a loss after all cost are considered, and owned 777s only operate on a thin profit there.
My 772s are only profitable because some of them operate on a USD 2M+ weekly profit, I will not shy from saying that others lose me money if I look closely. But that is okay for me as long as I remain profitable over all.
If I was to start over, I would not operate the 777 again. This is however not an acknowledgement of failure as some would like to hear at this point.
It's just that others are doing better because they have chosen other aircraft.

 

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