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Author Topic: B777-200ER  (Read 7667 times)

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 03:50:31 PM »
Also LHR is much more yielding route due to all the C/F seats you could sell. The revenue would be less if you flew to FRA for example, so this is the exception rather than the rule. Also consider fuel would nearly double if going from $7XX to around $1300.

If you only use it in the niches when it is profitable then that is fine and well. But Jona was using these out of LHR, with the high yielding premium demand (and appropriate configs), well utilised planes in decent scheduling and he still went down with fuel circa $950 as per one of the other threads mentioned (and he was one of the last 777 users to BK due to this).
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Offline Jona L.

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2012, 03:53:19 PM »
(and he was one of the last 777 users to BK due to this).

But only because everyone else ran to the French b*tches...

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2012, 03:56:29 PM »
But only because everyone else ran to the French b*tches...

Because the A330-300 is far superior to the B777-200 in terms of economics, at least in this game. I usually do the same.
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Offline Jona L.

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #43 on: March 29, 2012, 06:31:43 PM »
Because the A330-300 is far superior to the B777-200 in terms of economics, at least in this game. I usually do the same.

But still my biggest fleet was B773 and not the 772... and also I used A330/340, as I was in LHR, that was still too few to cover all the demand soon enough, and the I got frequency f*cked on the most cash bringing routes by those goddamn seven-fifties...

Offline Erikas1

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #44 on: March 29, 2012, 08:13:30 PM »

Actually, we were talking about leases alot:

700 usd fuel is CHEAP.  When it gets over 1000 usd, kiss your butt goodbye.   Even if you profit on this plane, there are so many fixed costs associated with it that are NOT included in the "cumulative profit".  I had all of my planes in the 'green' and I was still losing money.  That profit does not take into account baggage handlers, gate attendants, management..........

Seriously, why are there so many combative people here?  If you don't want help, don't ask for it. 

At this point, I don't care any more.  Im not in MT6 so let me know when fuel spikes and I will be here with the popcorn waiting for a few people to show some contrition. 

BAM!!!! ;D ;D ;D

As I said in my maths-post, I take fuel price to be set around $1200 and not your easymode $800...

as swiftus said, let me know when fuel spikes ;) And I'll be joining in on the popcorn ;)

That's the main reason why I dislike forum posts. There is few  self confident people, whose confidence grew up in arrogance and they think they know everything. It's useless even start discussion because they are always right!   :laugh:

I have news for you, if you guys failed it doesn't mean others can't do better. And as you are not in MT6, should keep your "expert" opinion to yourself.

Cheers

Offline pascaly

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #45 on: March 29, 2012, 08:50:25 PM »
POST DELETED.

I didn't want to delete my post because you deserve everything I said, but others have been banned around here, I don't want to be one of them.






Offline swiftus27

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #46 on: March 29, 2012, 11:04:14 PM »
I remember the OP posting:

Does this plane make sense on lh routes?

I guess this question only applies to players currently playing this exact game and not to people who played MT5 MT4 MT3 MT2.....  

Your obvious brash attitude to the people answering is very disconcerting.  I am not going to play into your bravado and turn this into a forum battle.  I will not take seriously the person who points out flaws in the forums when they average 0.023 posts per day. 
« Last Edit: March 29, 2012, 11:09:47 PM by swiftus27 »

Offline pascaly

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #47 on: March 30, 2012, 04:50:34 AM »
Now he's contacting me via PM.....wow.

Anyway, I think I'm going to trust Jona and Swiftus; they have more than enough experience to form an accurate opinion.

Not quite sure why this thread got so combative. Perhaps once fuel hits 1200 things will smooth out around here.


knutm1980

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #48 on: March 30, 2012, 01:41:33 PM »
'grabs popcorn, sits back'


Offline Jona L.

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #49 on: March 30, 2012, 05:54:50 PM »
'grabs popcorn, sits back'

A reason why we need a like button here, same as on Facebook...

Offline swiftus27

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2012, 06:04:20 PM »
I asked for that feature but it was turned down. 

You know, people who claim im ignorant or arrogant seem to grate on me here.  I've always tried to help people out and build on this sim.   Phone calls to used market and mentoring were both my feature requests to help the average player.  Now Sami deserves the lion share of the credit as he progrmmed them.

I need to not let this crap bother me. 

knutm1980

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #51 on: March 30, 2012, 07:50:04 PM »
I've used alot of forums with a 'karma' button..one even has a use of these karma points trading stocks. But meh..perhaps too much side activity.

Personally, I've found this thread quite useful. I have other forums to troll anyway.  ;)

Ansettaddict123

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2012, 03:32:42 AM »

Offline pascaly

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2012, 08:29:01 AM »
Love it Ansett! love it!

knutm1980

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Offline swiftus27

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #55 on: April 01, 2012, 10:38:50 PM »
someone has to tell me when the fuel price spikes.

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #56 on: April 01, 2012, 11:01:15 PM »
someone has to tell me when the fuel price spikes.

Just ticked down to $649.  I guess even Stalin design aircraft is making money now...  777s even on leases are probably ok now, if they are not facing significant competition.

Time around 9/11 was a bit challenging with demand dropping ~15-20% and fuel prices rising at the same time to ~ $900.  But since then, things were realtively easy, as evidenced by 524/600 airines in the game 13 years from the start, and very few large bankruptcies.  Last few significant bankruptcies were due to player inactivity, rather than challenging environment.

One thing about long games in general, players can accumulate CV in all the extra years, making them more immune to fuel price spikes...  So even at high prices, 777s may be making money for players owning the aircraft, but more precisely, it is the money invested in 777 that is making money...

minerva

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2012, 06:56:51 PM »
One thing about long games in general, players can accumulate CV in all the extra years, making them more immune to fuel price spikes...  So even at high prices, 777s may be making money for players owning the aircraft, but more precisely, it is the money invested in 777 that is making money...

Agreed. But that is how it should be, isn't it?  After all many legacy carriers survive tough times because of the long term investment they have made over time.

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2012, 09:20:55 PM »
Agreed. But that is how it should be, isn't it?  After all many legacy carriers survive tough times because of the long term investment they have made over time.

That is true.  But the legacy carriers get the benefit of "CI" by flying to these exotic places, and additionally, extra connecting passengers on other flights.  And that's coming as well in the next major release of AWS...

Offline Jona L.

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Re: B777-200ER
« Reply #59 on: April 02, 2012, 10:00:44 PM »
And that's coming as well in the next major release of AWS...

When? 2020?

 

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