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Author Topic: Which A330?  (Read 852 times)

Offline Dasha

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Which A330?
« on: March 16, 2012, 10:07:55 PM »
A330-200 or A330-300?

I mean I know they are both similar but the -200 has higher range and lower pax. Looking at the used market I feel as if the -300 is more popular than the -200. How are you people using them?
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Offline Jona L.

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2012, 10:27:42 PM »
-200 is simply for longer range operations, but less efficient than the -300.

Actually the A333 uses less fuel/hr than the -200 does, while even carrying more PAX, it is just about those 2000NM more range. The MTOWs should be nearly equal as well (if different -200 is heavier).

The -300 is more popular, because to most people ~5000NM is enough to fly, but sometimes you just need the 7000NM for which I would tend to use the A343 though, because that still beats the A332.

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Jona L.

Offline Dasha

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 10:56:39 PM »
Ye I'm one of those who needs the range of the A332. Also my routes aren't big enough to fill them with A340's. So for me the only option was the A332. But I didn't realize most people only needed them for 5000NM routes.
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Offline Jona L.

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2012, 03:07:26 PM »
Ye I'm one of those who needs the range of the A332. Also my routes aren't big enough to fill them with A340's. So for me the only option was the A332. But I didn't realize most people only needed them for 5000NM routes.

Well, over 5000NM routes are getting less and less profitable with rising fuel prices in MT games. All thanks to some tweaks sami made on the C and F incomes for LH flights. Not here to cry about that though.

A332 in real life is exact same size as A342 and A333 is same as A343, Sami just added some seats to the A342 and 343 to make the more useful on AWS.

Offline Dasha

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2012, 05:05:00 PM »
So you're saying instead of the A332, get an A342?
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Offline Jona L.

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2012, 05:53:39 PM »
So you're saying instead of the A332, get an A342?

Well, in AWS it is a bit different to real world. Here the A342 is the same size as the A330-300, which makes it truly better than in real world. A route that fills an A332 will fill an A342 or 343 as well.

The problem is: For only 40 PAX more Maximum capacity, the A342 sucks 800kg more fuel per hour. If we look at an A343 (and since you are in MT I suggest the -300E variant) we can get 60 PAX more capacity for only 5-600Kg more fuel usage. So, if you have enough demand for about 30 seats more (in 3-class configs) you should consider the A340-300E.

To make it easier for you:
On a 6500NM route with a demand of roughly 300 the choices are:
B762ER[2x needed]<A342<A332<B772ER<A343<788/9*<A359*

(* denotes aircraft I haven't yet personally used thus am not sure about their actual workout, but base my judgment on theoretical values)

hope that helps :)

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Offline Dasha

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2012, 06:32:41 PM »
Okay thanks... I already got the A332's on order. Also the demand is under 300. So I wanted a 'small' aircraft that could still do 6500 nm. I have to admit I forgot the B767.. :-[
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Nlgravity

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2012, 11:05:03 PM »
All of you left a key point about the fundamental diff between A332/3. Runway requirement. Id the 322 didn't exist, I wouldn't be able to run a successful airline out of argentina. I can fly sazm-Egll non stop with a 332. The 332 is not as profitable as 333. That's a fact. But the 332 is profitable in routes where non of the 330/40 series can even compete (actually the 332 has the lowest runway requirement per range mile in the game).

Offline Jona L.

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Re: Which A330?
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2012, 05:07:47 AM »
All of you left a key point about the fundamental diff between A332/3. Runway requirement. Id the 322 didn't exist, I wouldn't be able to run a successful airline out of argentina. I can fly sazm-Egll non stop with a 332. The 332 is not as profitable as 333. That's a fact. But the 332 is profitable in routes where non of the 330/40 series can even compete (actually the 332 has the lowest runway requirement per range mile in the game).

Well, George Newbery airport is a special case. Most other airports having LH demand (except for SXM for instance) don't have so short rwys. But admitted, you have a point there :P !!

 

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