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Author Topic: Advice for a newbie in this game world?  (Read 1563 times)

Offline philkirk99

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Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« on: March 13, 2012, 07:13:07 AM »
I wondered if a newbie in this game world would get some advice from some seasoned professionals?

I currently have a fleet of 5 x DC-6B - I appreciate that this is an incredibly popular a/c and trying to get more examples is proving to be very difficult, if not impossible. Should I be patient and just order new ones and wait 7 months for the 1st one to be delivered or should I go for some used L-1049 Super Connies which are 2.5 times less fuel efficient but which I could get hold of immediately?

I appreciate that operating 2 a/c types is NOT ideal, with so few of each type in my fleet but I am sitting with some cash available to order a/c but can't get any DC-6B immediately and in the meantime, my competition has 14 a/c already and flying miles ahead of me .....

What should I do for the best guys? Would really appreciate your input.

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Philkirk99
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Offline Kadachiman

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 07:37:18 AM »
This is a game of patience.

Be patient and survive
Be inpatient and restart after B/K

If your competitor is racing ahead, check his aircraft type, CI, etc, chances are he is not being patient.

Not so critical in JA but good to learn self discipline for the other games.

Offline philkirk99

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2012, 07:45:03 AM »
Thanks Kadachiman - appreciate that. Unfortunately my competitor is steaming ahead with 14 x DC6/DC6B in his fleet. I fail to see how in such a short space of time, someone can buy 14 a/c when there are none on the market - I guess some people are just lucky!!

But thanks for your help - maybe I should just wait and order new ones. At least my CI will be increasing all the time I wait and so when my new a/c come online, I should have some good L/F on the routes I open.

Offline Kadachiman

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2012, 09:21:22 AM »
Some people you will never beat, as this game is their passion and therefore they dedicate more time to it.

Crystal will be hard to beat as he looks like he has got off to a great start, 20 x DC6 and another 7 on order already.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2012, 09:25:47 AM by Kadachiman »

vitongwangki

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2012, 09:46:12 AM »
Some people you will never beat, as this game is their passion and therefore they dedicate more time to it.

Crystal will be hard to beat as he looks like he has got off to a great start, 20 x DC6 and another 7 on order already.
Michael is a good starter, always do very good during start. Of course, there is chance that you can fight with him later. The game is long ;)

Offline pa425804

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2012, 12:13:48 PM »
I'm not in this game world, and not I'm not talking about this particular user.  But generally, how can one (or few) be so much ahead of the majority, in terms of planes (i.e. money, routes, slots, etc), when almost everybody started at the same time (within a day or two) with the same capital?  What are the tactics?  Having said that, I have no intention to be the No.1 or top xx in any game world, but just wondering.

vitongwangki

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2012, 01:24:52 PM »
But generally, how can one (or few) be so much ahead of the majority, in terms of planes (i.e. money, routes, slots, etc), when almost everybody started at the same time (within a day or two) with the same capital?  What are the tactics? 
I can tell you the tactic is always simple. Get big planes (not one but at least two), fly to the route with huge Premium demand. Fly as much as possible, then you should able make a lot of money from there.
For my case, I have started 1 month later than the majority. I am now in 6th ASK and 7th RPK, Occupied ~50% market share in Singapore. I leased 5 DC-6 to start and continue the leasing with the money I had on hand. Now I am flying 13 DC-6 with 5 on delivery.

Offline schro

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 01:28:00 PM »
I'm not in this game world, and not I'm not talking about this particular user.  But generally, how can one (or few) be so much ahead of the majority, in terms of planes (i.e. money, routes, slots, etc), when almost everybody started at the same time (within a day or two) with the same capital?  What are the tactics?  Having said that, I have no intention to be the No.1 or top xx in any game world, but just wondering.

Generally to have success early is to have a LOT of time to spend online monitoring the used market and snapping up planes as they become available. Since pretty much all demand is unmet, the faster you can add planes, the faster you can grow - once you hit the  ~10 plane mark, things really start to snowball in a profitable way, especially if the 4 month lease window hasn't passed for most of your fleet. If you only check  in a few times per day, you'll be much less likely to find the planes you're looking for, and as a result, your growth will slow as you'll be paying the lease on most of your fleet before you find your next plane.

vitongwangki

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 01:29:31 PM »
Generally to have success early is to have a LOT of time to spend online monitoring the used market and snapping up planes as they become available. Since pretty much all demand is unmet, the faster you can add planes, the faster you can grow - once you hit the  ~10 plane mark, things really start to snowball in a profitable way, especially if the 4 month lease window hasn't passed for most of your fleet. If you only check  in a few times per day, you'll be much less likely to find the planes you're looking for, and as a result, your growth will slow as you'll be paying the lease on most of your fleet before you find your next plane.
Right, spending time constantly on used market is enough, like checking the market every 30mins would help a lot already. ;)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 01:32:42 PM »
The used market started much more flush with planes than usual.  Every scenario is unique.  Of course it is easy to make money and expand when you can fly planes under 300nm from ord.  I have 2 minor destinations under 2000nm for me to use... Im based in Johannesburg.  Two of us are going to duke it out with long haul only.  While we may not make tons of money, you best be sure we will rock in commonality by mid and late game.  Why my opponent decided to order a 707 two years in advance

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 01:33:18 PM »
Right, spending time constantly on used market is enough, like checking the market every 30mins would help a lot already. ;)

If someone would only make a bot program to do it for me

vitongwangki

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 01:34:46 PM »
If someone would only make a bot program to do it for me
You can simply make a alarm to notify you for the market ;)

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 04:55:00 PM »
Dont  give him so many good advice. I am the black horse at vhhk and my opponents are already ahead. I think of this as i gave them a head start but only time will show :)
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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 07:11:29 PM »
Hey why did you just BK'ed your airline to Sharm El Sheikh, I was just joking :(
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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2012, 09:57:14 AM »
Thanks for the great advices, but speaking of the 4 month lease window, what is it exactly, and what's the significance of it?  I understand that many of you would lease a/c at start, and would lease more when there are good ones on the market.  So what should I consider before deciding the contract length?  As an example, what are the benefits / disadvantages of signing a 15 year contract?   And how would you guys plan the purchasing of new a/c in relation to the expiry of leased a/c contracts?  I just seems to me that at some points, the new a/c is just used to replace leased a/c, which means my fleet would not be growing by then (apart from being 'renewed' and owned)?

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2012, 10:33:24 AM »
Hi, I'm newbie in this game too. There is a many advice in here and I think 1 year leased contract is better in my opinion because If the leased price is very high when you leased then it will be back to normal price in next year.  :)

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2012, 10:48:06 AM »
Hahahaha...you kill me with laughter, newbie in this game......you are one of the best when you play Dara, and always have been....hard to beat.

As for the original question, operating a single fleet is optimim, but as you will see now, or soon, most of the best players will have 2 to 3 fleet types, and even 4 in a few months as things really dry up, 2 is really not much penalty, as for 3 it is still marginal, but 5 and above is an absolute killer.

Go for the Beoing 377 too, as good as Dc6. Dont worry about fuel price for the next 15 years, its cheaper than watre and will remain so for a long time, fuel efficency is not a factor in this game for many many years..........as was in the real 1950s and 1960s where oil flooded the earth and was a penny on the dollar.


Goodluck and alway fly the hell out of a route.

JM
 

Offline schro

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2012, 11:59:57 AM »
Thanks for the great advices, but speaking of the 4 month lease window, what is it exactly, and what's the significance of it?  I understand that many of you would lease a/c at start, and would lease more when there are good ones on the market.  So what should I consider before deciding the contract length?  As an example, what are the benefits / disadvantages of signing a 15 year contract?   And how would you guys plan the purchasing of new a/c in relation to the expiry of leased a/c contracts?  I just seems to me that at some points, the new a/c is just used to replace leased a/c, which means my fleet would not be growing by then (apart from being 'renewed' and owned)?

The 4 month lease window is the period that you prepay when you first  order the used plane. So from an operating perspective, it is sort of like "free rent" on the plane for 4 months which artificially boosts profits (of course, over the long run, it is moot).  Quick example - suppose you lease a plane for 400k per month (1.6m up front). You then put it  on routes where it is making 150k in profit each week (or 600k per month). During the first 4 months, that 600k goes straight to your bottom line, and after that, you'll only see 200k per month.  However, in those 4 months, that 600k * 4 months is enough to lease your next plane, where you can repeat the process.

With the Jet Age, long term leases are a bad Idea (yes, i capitalized the I for emphasis). In 15 years, you'll be flying your DC6B's around while getting lapped by 727-200Advs....

moberg

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2012, 06:36:11 PM »
With the Jet Age, long term leases are a bad Idea (yes, i capitalized the I for emphasis). In 15 years, you'll be flying your DC6B's around while getting lapped by 727-200Advs....

My DC-6s are generally on 1-4 year leases (just short of next D check), con my convairs were all short term, but I put my Viscounts on 10 year leases. Is this a bad idea? I'm in a smaller market and a large number of my routes are going to be somewhat thin and long (as in 50-1000 nm), so I'm planning on keeping them at least that long.

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Re: Advice for a newbie in this game world?
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2012, 06:55:55 PM »
My DC-6s are generally on 1-4 year leases (just short of next D check), con my convairs were all short term, but I put my Viscounts on 10 year leases. Is this a bad idea? I'm in a smaller market and a large number of my routes are going to be somewhat thin and long (as in 50-1000 nm), so I'm planning on keeping them at least that long.


It shouldn't be horrible since its only 1955. The JA game I played  in started mid-60's, and what you'll see is a constant evolution of new planes showing up that are significantly better than the last every couple of years. By 1965, the DC9's, 727s and Tridents should be available (or nearly available) to cover those routes.

 

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