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Author Topic: A380  (Read 2101 times)

Offline DiCH

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A380
« on: March 01, 2012, 07:11:49 PM »
Dear friends,

Please give me feedback and advice about A380 profitability in Airwaysim. I estimate my need for 7-14 AC's.

Offline schro

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Re: A380
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2012, 07:52:16 PM »
*shakes magic 8 ball*

"Outlook not so good"

Specifically, when leasing, you'll lose your shirt  on them. When owned, you'll make a modest amount, but that amount would be higher with other a/c.

Best for use in slot constrained situations with untapped demand. This means LHR.

Offline Infinity

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Re: A380
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2012, 08:28:56 PM »
Given you are based in AMS and this would be your 6. fleet, I would strongly recommend to refrain from buying. Not a good idea at all.

Nlgravity

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Re: A380
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2012, 09:45:52 PM »
*shakes magic 8 ball*

"Outlook not so good"

I love it! than answer is right on!

As the old saying goes:
Question: How do you create a multi million dollar airline?
Answer: You add A380 to a multi billion dollar airline

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: A380
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 01:25:35 PM »
How do you make a man a millionaire?
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Get a billionaire to start an airline.

Offline Dutch

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Re: A380
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 02:20:03 PM »
Haha!

I used them in the test world for V1.31 out of LHR. I owned them and they performed excellent for me in those circumstances. This means: no competition, very large (premium) demand. I used them on flights to WSSS, VHHH, SPIM, SAEZ, WMKK, KLAX, PHNL and a few shorthaul destinations. with a config of 15F, 117C and 460Y. Profits per return flight were coming close to 1 million USD, weekly profits up to 4 million USD. Wish I could have such profits in MT6  :laugh:.

Cheers


Offline Jona L.

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Re: A380
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 02:50:47 PM »
Haha!

I used them in the test world for V1.31 out of LHR. I owned them and they performed excellent for me in those circumstances. This means: no competition, very large (premium) demand. I used them on flights to WSSS, VHHH, SPIM, SAEZ, WMKK, KLAX, PHNL and a few shorthaul destinations. with a config of 15F, 117C and 460Y. Profits per return flight were coming close to 1 million USD, weekly profits up to 4 million USD. Wish I could have such profits in MT6  :laugh:.

Cheers

Well, as you said:  "in those circumstances"... unless you have no competition (or no slots free which blocks competition) you're frequency-f*cked by B744/8 even. As in real life, A380 is crap. At this point AWS hits it right. on the other hand: B773 is great IRL and AWS screwed it up!!

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: A380
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 12:05:08 AM »
As in real life, A380 is crap.

I know, the moment I think of Emirates, Singapore, Qantas, AF and Lufthansa I immediately think they only fly the crappest of aircraft...  :-\

Offline Gwaneum

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Re: A380
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 03:07:40 AM »
I know, the moment I think of Emirates, Singapore, Qantas, AF and Lufthansa I immediately think they only fly the crappest of aircraft...  :-\

You also forgot two of my least favorite airlines - Korean Air and China Southern - which also fly the A380. My real-life home airport, LAX, gets one of those radioactive blue A380s daily.

I do think this game favors Airbus over Boeing. Sure, the A330 and the A340 have a lot of commonalities, but the engine count is different, and honestly the 757 and the 767 should have more commonality than modeled in this game. Also by making the A330 and the A340 part of the same family, an A340-600 can be turned around much faster than an equivalent 777.

Offline Jona L.

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Re: A380
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 11:45:28 AM »
I know, the moment I think of Emirates, Singapore, Qantas, AF and Lufthansa I immediately think they only fly the crappest of aircraft...  :-\

Well, as much as I love Lufty they decided to go for an all airbus fleet (only exception is the 748) which means an all sh*t fleet (with one exception). We all know there is no other possible option than Boeing!!!

Talking about AF... screw 'em they're French...

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: A380
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 02:42:02 PM »
...all airbus fleet (only exception is the 748) which means an all sh*t fleet

Ah yes, I remember now, the A320 has been a total financial failure. And fly-by-wire in commercial airliners never went big did it?  :-\

Offline Jona L.

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Re: A380
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 03:12:02 PM »
Ah yes, I remember now, the A320 has been a total financial failure. And fly-by-wire in commercial airliners never went big did it?  :-\

Let me just have my hate on Airbus, okay?!

Offline alexgv1

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Re: A380
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2012, 04:54:10 PM »
Let me just have my hate on Airbus, okay?!

Yes just do, because it's not worth arguing with him.... trust me I've tried  ::)
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Offline DiCH

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Re: A380
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2012, 07:28:51 AM »
Haha!

I used them in the test world for V1.31 out of LHR. I owned them and they performed excellent for me in those circumstances. This means: no competition, very large (premium) demand. I used them on flights to WSSS, VHHH, SPIM, SAEZ, WMKK, KLAX, PHNL and a few shorthaul destinations. with a config of 15F, 117C and 460Y. Profits per return flight were coming close to 1 million USD, weekly profits up to 4 million USD. Wish I could have such profits in MT6  :laugh:.

Cheers

Positive answer :-) Which fuel prices it was?

Online mark320

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Re: A380
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2012, 07:23:47 PM »
I had the A380s in every world (x2) and were actually fantastic. However, I had to be very careful on leasing costs as some of the new ones where  too expensive. The routes selected had to have the proper demand (duh!) I had an 800 seater and also premium versions accordingly. I always made bucketfuls. It's the international market which determines if they would be useful for you. Also, if you are basing them outside your home base, be careful with commonality, I operated them only, so I kept commonality to a minimum and I also selected 1 engine type. I then had a short haul base too. It was quite amusing seeing routes yielding over $700K! This time, I am using a different business model however, but who knows...

Check out your own case and decide accordingly.

Good luck and regards

 

Offline Dutch

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Re: A380
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 09:29:18 PM »
Dich,

When the test server ended it was 809 USD per 1000kg. I think I made these profits with fuel prices between 750 USD and 1100 USD.


Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: A380
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2012, 11:26:47 PM »
Dich,

When the test server ended it was 809 USD per 1000kg. I think I made these profits with fuel prices between 750 USD and 1100 USD.

Fuel price is not a problem for A380.  Competition is. (in AWS)

Offline Jona L.

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Re: A380
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2012, 03:40:04 PM »
Fuel price is not a problem for A380.  Competition is. (in AWS)

Frequency... our beloved main problem.

Even a B744/8 or B773 busts the A380 2:1 in frequency... unless this is changed (if at all not before AWS v3.0 around the year 2050) A380 will be only good if you sit in slot locked airports (such as LHR) when you are sure there cannot be any more competition against it.

icelord

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Re: A380
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 01:57:02 PM »
My first A380... fingers crossed!  8)

 

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