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Author Topic: Where am I making a mistake?  (Read 908 times)

waplane

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Where am I making a mistake?
« on: February 16, 2012, 09:00:56 PM »
So far I have operated in Europe, twice in ANC, and once in PDX and now in Algeria. Where am I going wrong, in Europe (while I wasn't losing lots of money I really wasn't making any every year. Both times in ANC went badly and I tried again today with DC-9s but never got above 18% LF even with discounted fares. PDX I started making money but it was too little to keep the airline going with C checks. Here were/are my fleets. I either BK or I do so poorly I can't expand.

Europe - 3 MD-80s, 2 737s
ANC 1st time - 2 L1011s for flights to NYC and PHL
PDX - 2 757s
ANC 2nd time - 4 DC-9s
Current Algeria - 2 727s, 2 TU-204s on order.

I have a nice airline in DoTM but cannot make a profit in MT.

Nlgravity

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 09:14:06 PM »
You are using the same aircrafts in this scenario than in DoTM. This is your no. 1 mistake. In this scenario you need fuel efficient, staff efficient (i.e. 2 pilots max), and larger planes.

But my main observation is that you are planting a seed and complaining that the tree is not 20 feet tall after a few months. You need to give it time for your decisions and strategy to mature.

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 09:43:55 PM »
Current Algeria - 2 727s, 2 TU-204s on order.

I have a nice airline in DoTM but cannot make a profit in MT.

I think the aircraft - especially 727 is a little old for MT scenario.  You must be paying a lot of money for fuel and maintenance.

It is kind of a boom / happy time now in MT6, and there are not a lot of aircraft on the used market, but I just checked, and there are some 737-400s available.  That would have been a better choice for you to get started and to accumulate some profits.  Then, once you are profitable, you could place orders for new aircraft, such as 737NG (-700, -800, -900) or A320 fleet.

Offline schro

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 09:58:47 PM »
Are you flying routes with or without competition? When you're starting up, especially in the first 10 planes, you'll want to avoid as much competition as possible.

Also, DOTM is a much lower difficulty level than MT is, simply due to the costs of the era. In a lot of cases, it is virtually impossible to bankrupt a mediocrely run airline in DOTM, whereas in MT, they're sent into a spiral of death rather quickly.

Have you read all the guides about do's and don'ts, startups, route timing, etc?

Offline schro

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 10:03:24 PM »
I took a quick look at your airline -  right now, you've got no competition on your routes, which is good, but you're also not using your 727s very heavily. With the right tweaking, you can probably fit a third round trip into your schedule somehow which will be a boon for revenue.

I'd consider a 10-15% discount off of standard pricing until your CI gets above 30 or 40 and give it some time for your loads to stabilize. Its very frustrating at first when they're seemingly low and inconsistant. As RI and CI approach 100, they will be a lot better and more consistent.

waplane

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 11:06:44 PM »
I have read guides and did as they said and avoided competition which I had hoped would allow me to lease cheaper yet less fuel efficient aircraft. Except for my last try in ANC, all my airlines avoided competition mostly or even completely. I have my 727s on 9 month leases, just before their C checks expire and was planning on dumping them. Should I replace them with TU-204s for commonality or 737s? And I had assumed that since my airline in DOTM had turned a profit early on that my airlines here would do the same without much competition.

And if you take out my start up leasing costs from my 727s and TU-204s, I turned a 100k profit my first week in operation, should I try to use that income for marketing and try to raise my CI faster?

I just checked, and there are some 737-400s available.

You're right, I should have leased a 737, I went 727 cause I could get 2 and afford 2 TU-204s also, figured I could boost my fleet size early on and have some money left over for checks.
« Last Edit: February 16, 2012, 11:11:14 PM by waplane »

Offline lunchbox

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2012, 01:19:55 AM »
Also, It would help that you keep to one fleet type until at least 10 aircraft.  In my opinion, I would dump the 727's and go for the 737-300/400/500 until you can afford to move to something more efficient down the road.

By the way, when are the TU-204's slated to arrive, and how long of a lease do you have on them??

waplane

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2012, 03:28:08 AM »
They just arrived. Have 2 for 6 years.

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 03:45:29 AM »
They just arrived. Have 2 for 6 years.

Well, there is a good news - sort of.  You are not alone.  A lot of players get bad aircraft on very long term leases.  In future games, unless you are 100% sure you know what you are doing, always lease aircraft for 1 year, and allow the system to automatically extend the leases.

Aoscad

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 04:16:05 AM »
Anything Russian should be avoided, I would say (if you can) replace the 204s even if it means them sitting around cause the fuel costs will kill you. But that's just me.

Offline Infinity

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 04:30:17 AM »
Are you barking? Having aircraft on leases sitting idle while only having a hand full of aircraft is by far the safer way into bankruptcy.

Aoscad

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 04:34:00 AM »
Well I mean once the 727s are replaced, replace the 204s with a similar type ie larger 737 until the lease can be canceled.

I may be wrong, don't know how much his leases are, if they were low I would give it a shot but may be wrong.

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2012, 10:33:35 PM »
Tu-204 is not such a bad plane. Russian planes are usually not good choices but in my opinion Tu-204 may work if the context is right. Just lease more of them to cut down on commonality costs. You can think of them like Russian 757s.
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waplane

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Re: Where am I making a mistake?
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2012, 10:51:46 PM »
I just got another one so I am up to 3 so far. Have two flights per day per plane to Europe with LF around 60 to 65 so far with no competition.

 

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