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Author Topic: Leased a 727, need serious help.  (Read 1218 times)

Aoscad

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Leased a 727, need serious help.
« on: December 26, 2011, 02:13:49 AM »
I thought I was running my airline on Modern Times #6 (Same airline name and home base as DotM) and accidentally leased a 727 on DotM for 4.5 years since my Modern Times airline has an all 727 fleet. Should I try to lease a second 727 for the same time to cover the fleet commonality costs or can I cover the plane's costs with just 1 727? The airline has so far been turning a good profit every week (230k+) and I was wondering if I could tough through 4.5 years until I get rid of the plane without getting another. It would kill my future expansion plans for the next 7 or so years but it would be better than bankruptcy...again.

Aoscad

Offline schro

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2011, 02:20:35 AM »
After the minimum hold time, dump the lease you less you want to become a large 727 airline. Running a fleet of 300+ is doable in dotm, but the 3 person crew eats into profits

Aoscad

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2011, 02:37:15 AM »
Well the big problem here isn't a business strategy or trying to expand into a new type. The problem is simply a stupid user who was both distracted (trying to watch movies with the family on Christmas) and trying to do all this on an iPhone and not paying attention to small detail when I selected the game world.

I doubt I'm gonna have the money to cancel a lease so I bet bankruptcy will be my only option. 727s were never in my business plan. Any chance a dev would remove my plane? I don't have to have my money back, I just really dont want a 727.

Offline schro

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2011, 04:04:08 AM »
I don't have any insight into the game as I'm not playing at the moment. Would you mind saying where you are based and what you are currently flying? I'm also curious as to your strategy, as the 727 is one of the key types in this era. If you would prefer, pm me your strategy and I'll be more than happy to see if there is a way to make you more profitable - if you won't make enough money to term a 727 lease in a year or so in the dotm era, you probably have other more systemic problems...

Aoscad

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2011, 04:24:50 AM »
My main base is Little Rock (KLIT) and main fleet type is the HS-748.

CI is 19 and climbing as is my LF, 58% and climbing steadily.

I have been focusing on the short haul (600NM or less) routes out of LIT. My main Goal is simply to be the main operator at LIT, eventually changing my fleet over to the BAe ATP for lower fuel costs and larger PAX capacity. The 727 is completely incompatible with my current fleet type. Crew types (Med Vs Large),  I have no jets, no routes over 600NM, no planes with a capacity over 55 PAX.

Offline schro

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2011, 04:37:02 AM »
Did you lease a -100 or -200? You should be at least able to put it on katl or kord 3x or 4x daily and probably make more money than the rest of your fleet with that single plane. ~50 seaters are a significant challenge to do well with as are small bases like klit in the early dotm era. What about a base at a bigger airport?

Aoscad

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2011, 04:57:00 AM »
It is a 200adv. I am just worried about the fleet commonality costs and the fact that the LF will be fairly low at the start of a new route. Basically I just want the 727 to Break Even when it comes to all of its costs, maint, crew, leasing, ect. and to be able to get back on track when it comes to buying BAe ATPs. I could restart at a larger city if I declared bankruptcy but that is what I am trying to avoid. Had been doing well at LIT on some of the higher demand short haul routes with my HS-748s and was ready to get my new planes.

The monthly lease is also fairly high, (over $300k/month), I accepted it simply because I thought I was in Modern Times and didn't think too much about that cost.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2011, 04:59:22 AM by Aoscad »

Aoscad

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2011, 06:32:25 AM »
Shouldn't I be able to cut most if not all of my fleet commonality costs for the 727 an reduce the costs of the plane to just about the lease cost if I just set it aside, never did maint and never used it? If the plane isn't in use why should I have to pay crew training costs and stuff?

Offline schro

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 10:17:10 PM »
The way the game computes commonality, you will incur higher costs jut by having one parked. If you don't schedule it, you will at least not have any large pilots hired. 300k/month is only 75k/wk, which is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. If you are profitable with it parked, then carry on business until you either want to use it or can afford to axe the lease. Toward the end of the last dotm, I had hundreds of planes parked and was still doing just fine on money....

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: Leased a 727, need serious help.
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 12:51:28 AM »
If I were you I would have considered this error as a sign from the universe. Little Rock has quite some demand suitable for a 727. 200Adv is the best variant (most pax, least fuel burn. longest range). Lease more of them and do some thick (crowded) or long routes with those. I am sure you can find enough routes for more than a handful of 727s.

About the little birds, as far as I remember there are other choices of planes that are more efficient. F27 is cheap, very very efficient and in the previous DoTM it was quite abundant in the second hand market. For brand new planes, F50 is quite nice as well. On the other hand, if you don't need the range of the Fokkers (I had very thin routes with down to 30 pax daily spread out from 50nm to 2000nm) BAe ATP seems to be the best choice.

A side note is, I can't wait for starting the game again :)
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