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Author Topic: Planes for 1500-2000nm  (Read 1823 times)

Pepsico8

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Planes for 1500-2000nm
« on: December 20, 2011, 11:34:59 PM »
I was wondering what the best planes are to use for routes on about 1500-2000nm with HIGH demand. Thanks.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 11:41:16 PM »
757
or A321
or A300R
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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 11:44:45 PM »
Depends on what competition you have, what and how often they fly, but A321's or B753's sound like they maybe ok for your needs.  If you have no competition and big demand you can go larger, 764 with HD seating for instance...but keep you eye out for new starters as smaller a/c with more frequent flights will have your 764 empty in no time !
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Pepsico8

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2011, 11:57:29 PM »
What about 767-200's?

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 12:50:29 AM »
The smaller 767s become rubbish pretty soon they burn over 4500kgs fuel an hour. Better to go with 757 at around 1000kgs less and similar capacity.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

coopdogyo

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 01:50:01 AM »
MD-90

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 01:56:03 AM »
I was wondering what the best planes are to use for routes on about 1500-2000nm with HIGH demand. Thanks.

It's a balance between size and frequency.  Your best bet is serving a destination with smaller aircraft more often versus once or twice a day with a large aircraft.  I recommend the MD-90 personally as it is the easiest to get your hands on new and is fuel efficient.  The long range Fokker 100 can also fly 1600nm and the Tu204 is also a decent choice with 180 seats (lower leasing costs will offset difference in fuel/maintenance costs).

Nlgravity

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 04:43:42 AM »
I don't see how anyone could chose any equipment over 321 high he seating. Out of any plane available, is the one with most capacity with turn around under 1 hour.

There is one HUGE catch. You have 2500 planes in front of you and by the tie you do get delivery of perfect 321, the route will be oversupplied with seats.

So to summarize; there is no free lunch

Offline Troxartas86

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 07:00:37 AM »
If you want a decent plane right now or even this year, good luck. I'm flying 20 year old L-1011s because I can. (and I was desperate)

vitongwangki

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 09:41:30 AM »
In previous MT I fly those high-demand route (SIN-HKG) with 744/748 and those with lower demand with A333. Now I fly 757 or 772 on LAX-JFK , so depends on competition and the choice you have.  :laugh:

Offline EYguy

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 10:32:28 AM »
I love the A320 family or the B737NG... You can adjust your capacity with a few clicks of your mouse and there's high commonality between the type. Even performances are the same, so no need to reschedule anything. The B757 becomes a guzzler and has a long turn around, so IMHO it's not worth using it, together with the A300 family.

Pepsico8

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2011, 04:32:52 PM »
In previous MT I fly those high-demand route (SIN-HKG) with 744/748 and those with lower demand with A333. Now I fly 757 or 772 on LAX-JFK , so depends on competition and the choice you have.  :laugh:



So a 772 would work for that?

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2011, 06:26:58 PM »


So a 772 would work for that?

As long as supply is less than demand.  Once supply exceed demand, LFs of larger aircraft starts to fall quicker than LFs of smaller aircraft.

Pepsico8

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2011, 08:04:49 PM »
One more question;

Is it smart to open up a new base for my airline yet, or should i wait?

minerva

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2011, 08:51:36 PM »
Definitely not.  You have hundreds of potential routes left to fill out of San Diego and practically no competition there.  A new base will cost you millions in start-up and will really hurt your commonality costs.  Right now with only 26 or so a/c and all your different fleet types (7), you are lucky to still be making a profit.  Once you get more competition on some of your routes, or fuel starts to get pricer, you will need to rationalize your fleets down to three or four or you'll be in big trouble.  A new based will add 15% to your commonality costs for each fleet you use.  I wouldn't even think of a new base until you have maxed out all the San Diego routes with 100+ demand and have at least 100 a/c with fewer fleet types.  

vitongwangki

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2011, 12:14:55 AM »
As long as supply is less than demand.  Once supply exceed demand, LFs of larger aircraft starts to fall quicker than LFs of smaller aircraft.
But if you consider running cost vs revenue, the difference between 772 and 762/763 maybe similar. I am not the fan of LF, instead I think sometimes chasing LF and market share is a trap.  ;)

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2011, 12:51:25 AM »
I am not the fan of LF, instead I think sometimes chasing LF and market share is a trap.  ;)

They say new airline industry is about margin share not market share
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

Pepsico8

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2011, 12:57:55 AM »
Well thanks again everyone!
 :laugh:

Offline JMsoo

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2011, 04:01:40 AM »
Definitely not.  You have hundreds of potential routes left to fill out of San Diego and practically no competition there.  A new base will cost you millions in start-up and will really hurt your commonality costs.  Right now with only 26 or so a/c and all your different fleet types (7), you are lucky to still be making a profit.  Once you get more competition on some of your routes, or fuel starts to get pricer, you will need to rationalize your fleets down to three or four or you'll be in big trouble.  A new based will add 15% to your commonality costs for each fleet you use.  I wouldn't even think of a new base until you have maxed out all the San Diego routes with 100+ demand and have at least 100 a/c with fewer fleet types.  

Open a new base is that problematic? My airport is full no way to expand I will reach 15 a/c within few month game I barely can find slot available I have 30+ aircraft on order my plan was to open up a new base in 1998 once the airport I'm interested for will open! But I need the 15 a/c minimum.  :-\
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minerva

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Re: Planes for 1500-2000nm
« Reply #19 on: December 22, 2011, 05:23:37 PM »
For small airlines, yes it is.  I realize you are slot constrained, but more slots will open up, and you are not competing at all on many of the major routes out of your airport.  Just because someone else has a filled the demand doesn't mean you should just give the route up to them.  If you open another base the only hope for success, given your size, is if it is one no one else is based at, which means it will be pretty small with small demand. You might be able to base a few planes but the overhead will make it unprofitable.  Far better to maximize the potential of your home base which has large demand.

 

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