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Author Topic: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?  (Read 3479 times)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 04:29:50 PM »
it was the yanks that stopped its progress

they banned the plane for many routes they simply got jelous that the europeans got to build a supersonic plane that actually worked 1st

its ashame that concorde was never mass produced or spin offs never really happened but thats life i suppose.

oif course most yanks will probably disagree

Are you serious?  Are you just making trollish accusations with nothing to back it up?  Honestly, I'm getting tired of the '_____ Yanks' comments that seemingly go unmoderated.

1.  The Soviet's got theirs in the air first so the Concorde was second.  It was a shame that a prototype crashed at the Paris Air Show.
2.  Sonic Booms shatter glass.  This is why the Concorde had to decelerate below Mach 1 well off shore.  You can't fly it over land and the Pacific was simply too big to make an effective trans Pacific a/c.  So why even bother making this foolhardy a/c when someone else was doing it?
3.  It wasn't mass produced because the cost to keep them going was way too high and there were just too few pax willing to pay the amount necessary to keep them operational.  
4.  What 'spin offs' are you referring to?  
5.  European governments offered crazy subsidies to Aeropostiale to make it work.

If the A380 is a massive failure (and I am NOT saying that it is), I bet you are the exact same person who will blame the 'yanks' on that one as well.   Honestly, we're not jealous of that cattle car.  We are looking forward to direct flights from many current airports to secondary airports throughout the world.   
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 04:33:52 PM by swiftus27 »

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 04:40:42 PM »
Frogiton

the slag word the Brits give for Americans as you call yourself is Yank just like the Aussies call us pomms its a term of indearment

hang on dont Yanks take the pee out of Canadians Frogiton? Simpsons, Family Guy 2 and a half men all poke fun at 'Americans little brother' reffering to the Canadians do they not?

sorry but you seem very defensive when you have nothing to be defensive about - im sure you just dont understand us brits or just dont understand us as a nation
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 04:52:49 PM by Sulton111 »

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 04:51:24 PM »
Swiftus

yes the soviet union - not soviets - (im sure as you dont like the work yank they might not like being called soviets when they clearly have their own nationalities) got their plane in the air first and it was so successful it crashed so Concorde was the 1st flyable supersonic aircraft.

yes sonic booms shatter glass but with American help not hinderance im sure something could have been invented to change the boom into energy or something similar

i said spin offs never really happened although it seems Boeing have drawn up a plan which was on uk yahoo last week

of course the European governmets offerred subsideries were offered just like in almost every militery and new concept aircraft ever drawn up let along build

sorry but the basis of your argument is mainly based on the fact US goverment didnt spend enough to build a supersonic bird that actually worked and with todays technology it will come about again


Offline Pilot Oatmeal

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 05:18:24 PM »
The fact of the matter is that the YANKS (as I am british, and we made up the term, and I am still in the opinion what the yanks are an inferior derivative  race, I have the right to use it, as many yank shows already states previously call Canadians inferior names)  were EXTREMELY jealous of it, so jealous that they tried to come up with the knowledge to be able to produce a competitor, they couldn't cut it FACT there IS NO OTHER REASON! 

Whether a window pane actually cracks or not; is dependant on:
A) Distance from plane to window;
B) Airspeed of the plane;
C) Aerodynamic design of the plane;
D) Temp/Humidity/density of the air at the plane's altitude;
E) angle of aircraft path to window;
F) Altitude (airdensity) of the window;
G) Window design and mounting meth

CONCORDE DID NOT BREAK GLASS, IT WAS TOO HIGH TO BE ABLE TO BREAK THE GLASS, I have had EURO FIGHTERS FLY OVER MY HOUSE IN THE UK AT MACH 2 AND NOT BREAK GLASS, there is however a small tremor, not much, just a small one.

Yes the government did help pay for concorde, who wouldn't ITS A PIECE OF ENGINEERING PERFECTION!

The yanks were so jealous at one point they weren't gonna let it fly to New York for a number of months... why is that?  Its on the coast, there's no reason, EXCEPT PURE JEALOUSLY.  They only allowed it to fly into New York once the French said if it can't land you yanks won't be able to fly into any of our airports for any reason.  FACT.

Now did Concorde have a good business model, yes and no, but did it surpass ANYTHING in Aviation, Yes.  Please remember the airframe and engines are from the late 50's/early 60's!  YOU COULDN't DO ANYTHING LIKE IT!  NOT EVEN NOW!!!!

Boeing is screwed, Airbus is kicking it left right and centre.  YOUR OWN AIRLINE WON'T ORDER THEM ANYMORE! 

Now stop with this petty argument,  YOU ARE WRONG END OF STORY


Offline Pilot Oatmeal

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 05:19:08 PM »
P.S.

I'm a dual citizen of both the US, and UK... I have no remorse for what I just said

Offline yevgeniy

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 05:21:57 PM »
The Concord, Tu-144, and the Boeing Supersonic airliner were all prestige projects, same as the space race etc....

The Concord was an amazing machine, but the economics simply did not work, today they might but maybe not.
The Tu-144 at least partially used stolen information about the Concord, but was an amazing machine in its own right, and was quite flyable. Unfortunately due to political pressure to be first it was rolled out to soon, and crash at the Paris air show. It actually operated internal mail, and passenger flights quite successfully for a short time in the Soviet Union.
In fact after the collapse a few revised Tu-144s were used by NASA with the Russians for supersonic testing.

Boeing did not go with the supersonic because they knew it was not economical (Tupolev of course did not have that issue, and the Aerospatile the various govt's thought it was worth funding it).

The A380 is different because Airbus thinks that it will eventually be a profitable venture.

Regarding to the Concord being denied at JFK, that was environmental groups who tried to block it.
I believe and sales data shows it, both Airbus and Boeing are relatively equal right now.
I am sure if you ask the common Joe whether he is on an Airbus or a Boeing, he would have no idea.

« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 05:24:05 PM by yevgeniy »

Offline Frogiton

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2011, 05:22:09 PM »
yes the soviet union - not soviets - (im sure as you dont like the work yank they might not like being called soviets when they clearly have their own nationalities) got their plane in the air first and it was so successful it crashed so Concorde was the 1st flyable supersonic aircraft.

Umm, there's a difference between calling people from the Soviet Union, Soviets, and calling Americans, yanks. Seriously, is no one else going to complain about somebody who's sitting here making racial slurs about a country for a completely bogus reason.

yes sonic booms shatter glass but with American help not hinderance im sure something could have been invented to change the boom into energy or something similar

Are you serious?

of course the European governmets offerred subsideries were offered just like in almost every militery and new concept aircraft ever drawn up let along build

I'm pretty sure the A320 doesn't need any subsidaries just to get some airline  to fly it.

sorry but the basis of your argument is mainly based on the fact US goverment didnt spend enough to build a supersonic bird that actually worked and with todays technology it will come about again

That was nowhere even remotely in his argument.

the slag word the Brits give for Americans as you call yourself is Yank just like the Aussies call us pomms its a term of indearment

en·dear·mentNoun/enˈdi(ə)rmənt/
1. A word or phrase expressing love or affection.
2. Love or affection: "a term of endearment".

Now stop with this petty argument,  YOU ARE WRONG END OF STORY

Wow, way to argue like a 3 year old.
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Offline swiftus27

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2011, 05:25:05 PM »
The US Government should not be spending one penny on supersonic travel.  That is the role of the free market to decide.  The same free market that dictated the need for a Dreamliner and not an A380... The same free market that didn't hamstring an airplane like the British Government did to the HS Trident (those weak engines were awful) and instead delivered the Boeing 727.   While European governments were spending money on the Concorde, Boeing McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed made widebodies instead.  

I find most of your arguments to be completely baseless.   You claim that the US Government is hindering supersonic development.  Care to provide ANY documentation of any sort to back that up?   The US Government is actually barred from helping Boeing at all.  In fact there are lawsuits filed by Airbus claiming that the US Government is helping Boeing.   Again, I point to the free market here.   Many of us don't like government involvement in everything.  

Americans don't call themselves Yanks.   We call British people Brits and Australians Aussies...  

I love the Concorde.  It is a marvel.   However, the success many of you claim is obviously flawed.  There were only 20 of these planes ever made.   There is a reason the world market chose to not fly it.  People would rather pay 1/3rd to fly 1/4 the speed.

Keep socialism out of air travel.  Keep it on your side of the ocean.   I don't need any government telling my that their offerings are better than brand Y just because they helped to design it. 
« Last Edit: September 05, 2011, 05:29:03 PM by swiftus27 »

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2011, 05:29:35 PM »
I think that the free market will dictate soon that there is room in the market for a supersonic jet that holds 250-300 pax. The Concorde commanded incredible premiums on fares, even in economy, and it was only the lack of economies of scale and high fuel consumption that did it in. If today a bird was made that used less fuel and held more pax, I think it would be very successful.
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Offline Pilot Oatmeal

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2011, 05:35:35 PM »

Americans don't call themselves Yanks.   We call British people Brits and Australians Aussies...  


I am American, I am British, by nationality of both countries, I call Americans Yanks, and my home people Britons.

Aussies is a term from British People, to Australians.

The US Government should not be spending one penny on supersonic travel.  That is the role of the free market to decide.  The same free market that dictated the need for a Dreamliner and not an A380... The same free market that didn't hamstring an airplane like the British Government did to the HS Trident (those weak engines were awful) and instead delivered the Boeing 727.   While European governments were spending money on the Concorde, Boeing McDonnell Douglas and Lockheed made widebodies instead.  


I like that you bring up the 727, this machine was given by the British to Amerucans on a basis that they would have a joint venture, however the Americans took the plans and made it themselves.  


I find most of your arguments to be completely baseless.   You claim that the US Government is hindering supersonic development.  Care to provide ANY documentation of any sort to back that up?   The US Government is actually barred from helping Boeing at all.  In fact there are lawsuits filed by Airbus claiming that the US Government is helping Boeing.   Again, I point to the free market here.   Many of us don't like government involvement in everything.  




I suggest you buy the DVD on concorde, it explains all about the hindrance Americans gave to the concorde.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2011, 05:37:44 PM »
I am American, I am British, by nationality of both countries, I call Americans Yanks, and my home people Britons.

Aussies is a term from British People, to Australians.

I like that you bring up the 727, this machine was given by the British to Amerucans on a basis that they would have a joint venture, however the Americans took the plans and made it themselves.  


I suggest you buy the DVD on concorde, it explains all about the hindrance Americans gave to the concorde.

Since I have to go to Oktoberfest I just will post this from the ever unreliable wikipedia:

"but Boeing eventually decided against the joint venture.[8] De Havilland had wanted Boeing to license-build the D.H.121, while Boeing felt the aircraft needed to be designed for the American market, with six-abreast seating and the ability to use runways as short as 4,500 ft.[9]"

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2011, 05:41:11 PM »
Frogiton

i gotta laugh at how you quote part and not all of both my and another persons posts to give your post the impact it clearly does not have

you failed to answer why the YANKS take the pee out of Canadians but thats ok because your American you dont need to justify that do you?

Offline Pilot Oatmeal

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2011, 05:44:49 PM »
Since I have to go to Oktoberfest I just will post this from the ever unreliable wikipedia:

"but Boeing eventually decided against the joint venture.[8] De Havilland had wanted Boeing to license-build the D.H.121, while Boeing felt the aircraft needed to be designed for the American market, with six-abreast seating and the ability to use runways as short as 4,500 ft.[9]"

Enjoy Oktoberfest!  I wanted to go this year but stayed back in the UK to start my multi-engine rating :(

Back to argument:

Thank you for validating what I said, they saw the Trident, took the plans we gave them, and made one to suit them better... making the Trident unsuccessful in America... the 727 would never have been as good, or successful if we didn't give the yanks the information. 

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2011, 05:47:23 PM »
Frogiton

i gotta laugh at how you quote part and not all of both my and another persons posts to give your post the impact it clearly does not have

you failed to answer why the YANKS take the pee out of Canadians but thats ok because your American you dont need to justify that do you?

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2011, 05:51:47 PM »
Now behave ...  :P

Offline EYguy

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Re: Who in this gameworld if flying the 1 Concord that is in service?
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2011, 07:12:53 PM »
Stop this petty argument... I find quit stupid and time wasting to have notification on my mailbox from users reporting petty arguments about even pettier issues. 99% of you are above 18yrs of age and if they think they will ever get a job in the airlines industry behaving like children well... I reckon it will be quite difficult! :)

 

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