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Author Topic: small planes costs making money?  (Read 1538 times)

Offline Flightman

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small planes costs making money?
« on: July 16, 2011, 09:44:09 AM »
Have version 1.3 any inprovement making money with small planes?

Before there was no point operate smaller planes like an 100 seats becaus
example marketing costs calculated how many routes u have etc?
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Offline Sami

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2011, 10:17:34 AM »
There are changes to staff costs, but they are minor.

starrymarkb

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 06:13:18 PM »
ATR72s work well, the 42s didn't first bankruptcy round

Offline Richard

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 07:52:07 PM »
Although the 72's are better, the 42's do make good money. It is just how you use them.

Offline ukatlantic

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 07:59:22 PM »
Although the 72's are better, the 42's do make good money. It is just how you use them.

Couldn't put it better myself, the ATR42 can be hugely profitable if you use them correctly.  I've used them in a MT scenario before operating alongside the ATR72 and they made as much and in some cases more money than the 72's  ;)

Offline Richard

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2011, 08:11:51 PM »
Totally agree!

Offline swiftus27

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 08:22:54 PM »
Ive said this a billion times in this game.  Small TPs are best used as an airline supplement only.

Winstonread

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 10:05:05 PM »
my saab 2000s are working great for me ! 150k profit a week from each :P

Offline swiftus27

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2011, 11:28:37 PM »
That's gross profit..  remember those go pay for your office staff.  It takes,many of these with good lfs to cover fixed costs

Offline ekaneti

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2011, 02:05:46 AM »
Even in MT, ATRs and S2000s can make good money. Just keep the routes under 400 miles, 500 miles for the ATR-72s.

I ran an airline in the Philippines in the last MT with ATRs only and I had a 30% margin. All aircraft were leased. In MT3 I ran an airline in Nadi with EM2s and S2000s and did well. Staff costs arent uniform worldwide so a turboprop airline in a third world or developing country will make more than in Europe/USA/Canada/Australia.

Ansettaddict123

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2011, 04:25:35 AM »
hmmmmmmmm.
Smaller aircraft are great because they allow you to win on frequency, however in terms of long term profitability i'd stay away.
Smaller aircraft have the same (or close to) fixed costs as a larger aircraft, which really does impact their profitability. Say we compare an A321 and an E195. They both pay similar landing fees, navigation fees and the like however the E195 can have up to 100 less pax. That means you've got 100 less pax to pay nearly the same fixed costs, it just doesnt make financial sense.

Props are great. Not so much now because of the dirt cheap fuel price, but later in the game is where they really come into their element. really the only decent props out there are the Q400 and the ATR 72s in my opinion, especially the Q400 because of its jet like speeds on short sectors.

Offline Richard

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2011, 07:39:25 AM »
Yes, that's what I didn't mention, the erj and crj are not airplanes that make you your money.

Offline ukatlantic

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2011, 08:57:57 AM »
Yes, that's what I didn't mention, the erj and crj are not airplanes that make you your money.

I can't say anything about the ERJ, but the newer Embrear 195's are amazing money cows (the 170's not so much) if you utilse them correctly.  The CRJ can do well but you have to know which one of them to pick, DAVEOS who is in Wordlink allaince with me, has had an all CRJ fleet and did pretty well with them. 

Offline Richard

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2011, 02:40:19 PM »
Yeah, that is true, it is all up to the routes. I didn't have that good experience with them (especially the ERJ-170), the 190 did okay but even the smaller 737's performed much better.

CX717

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2011, 04:27:05 PM »
isn't the 50~80 seat props always made money??
I tried the 19 seats props,no chance..bleeding badly even with 5 legs.

Offline Richard

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2011, 05:00:13 PM »
isn't the 50~80 seat props always made money??
I tried the 19 seats props,no chance..bleeding badly even with 5 legs.

I believe they do. I don't have problems with the 50-80 seat props. Even airplanes that are on 4 routes per day.

GDK

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2011, 05:20:00 PM »
I see someone with 9 ATRs leading the pie chart at Miami and he is making good money

badlt58

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 12:54:31 AM »
Even in MT, ATRs and S2000s can make good money. Just keep the routes under 400 miles, 500 miles for the ATR-72s.

I ran an airline in the Philippines in the last MT with ATRs only and I had a 30% margin. All aircraft were leased. In MT3 I ran an airline in Nadi with EM2s and S2000s and did well. Staff costs arent uniform worldwide so a turboprop airline in a third world or developing country will make more than in Europe/USA/Canada/Australia.

Made boatloads on S2000 in the US. Its a cash cow as long as you can give it at least 4-5 trips a day. Love that thing. I was hoping they would be in production but no luck.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: small planes costs making money?
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2011, 01:55:38 AM »
Sadly the S2000 did horribly in the USA.  The Q400 is king.

 

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