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Author Topic: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.  (Read 1425 times)

GDK

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LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« on: July 15, 2011, 05:06:01 PM »
DR001    KMCO-KGNV    Demand - 60          Supply - 64                       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No       LF - 65.6
DR002    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 25.8
DR003    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 27.3
DR004    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 23.4
DR005    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 25.8

All routes flying using the same aircraft and all opened at the same day.
All routes set to default price.
Why a route without advertisement has higher LF than the 2 with advertisement?

cht7520

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 05:10:22 PM »
Departing at the same time?

Offline NorgeFly

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 05:12:29 PM »
I often see strange LF results with new routes, particularly early in the game, but generally once they've been running a while they even out.

However, I would recommend you scrap your route marketing... it's a waste of cash.

Offline LemonButt

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 05:12:57 PM »
Route advertising is a waste of money as it doesn't really do anything for you.  A better question I think is how the heck were you able to create those flight numbers when the return flight number is automatically a +1?!?!?

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 05:14:27 PM »
What are your departure times for JAX and FLL routes?

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 05:15:12 PM »
route marketing isn't as awful as people say it is - with an increased emphasis on RI, it actually does increase your RI faster (an extra 1 every time the RI rises). Now when you have 50 routes, a 75 CI and $3mil profit a week, this doesn't matter, but when starting your airline at the very beginning, it improves your LFs faster. Route marketing isn't that expensive either...
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Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2011, 05:18:48 PM »
route marketing isn't as awful as people say it is - with an increased emphasis on RI, it actually does increase your RI faster (an extra 1 every time the RI rises). Now when you have 50 routes, a 75 CI and $3mil profit a week, this doesn't matter, but when starting your airline at the very beginning, it improves your LFs faster. Route marketing isn't that expensive either...

Yeah, first few routes are very cheap.  But once you are flying to 100+ destinations, it is definitely not worth it.  But at that point CI takes care of things to some extend...

GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2011, 05:30:54 PM »
Departing at the same time?
These 5 routes are flying using the same aircraft. They are not departing at same time and not even at close time.

Route advertising is a waste of money as it doesn't really do anything for you.  A better question I think is how the heck were you able to create those flight numbers when the return flight number is automatically a +1?!?!?
The flight number in the post is not the exact one. ;D

What are your departure times for JAX and FLL routes?
Departing time are 0815, 1210, 1605, 2010. All normal time.

route marketing isn't as awful as people say it is - with an increased emphasis on RI, it actually does increase your RI faster (an extra 1 every time the RI rises). Now when you have 50 routes, a 75 CI and $3mil profit a week, this doesn't matter, but when starting your airline at the very beginning, it improves your LFs faster. Route marketing isn't that expensive either...
I know that LF on a route without competitor is also very low in the game world and that's why I purchased the route advertisement.

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 05:33:00 PM »
Perhaps the system calculated that the optimal frequency daily is 1 flight?
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GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 05:38:26 PM »
Perhaps the system calculated that the optimal frequency daily is 1 flight?

Don't think so. It should work well up to 24 flights daily as Sami programmed the time between flights to be minimum 60 minutes.
But of course we not going to (or never get chance to) set up 24 flights on a route with only 250 pax.

cht7520

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 05:42:23 PM »
These 5 routes are flying using the same aircraft. They are not departing at same time and not even at close time.

My bad. I can't seem to read properly and my responses has been retarded these days. My sincere apologies.

GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 05:46:17 PM »
2nd day results.

DR001    KMCO-KGNV    Demand - 60          Supply - 64                       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No       LF - 66.8
DR002    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 23.4
DR003    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 24.6
DR004    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 20.7
DR005    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 23.4

Still, I'm the only one flying these routes, price remain the same.
Why the first route got its LF grows but the other dropped?

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 05:51:53 PM »
Yeah, it is strange.

If you just look at the passengers, you are carrying more passengers from route with 1/2 demand then the other 2 routes with higher demand...

Winstonread

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 08:05:32 PM »
ive got over 75% on all my flights bar 2 which are 69% and 65% (newly opened routes to be fair though) so i dunno :/

GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2011, 10:51:49 PM »
DR001    KMCO-KGNV    Demand - 60          Supply - 64                       RI - 7       Specific route advertisement - No       LF - 56.4
DR002    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 9       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 44.7
DR003    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 9       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 42.7
DR004    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 9       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 44.7
DR005    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 64 (Total 128)       RI - 9       Specific route advertisement - Yes      LF - 44.8

I set the price to 15% lower than default and the LF finally rise.
Still, the first route having highest LF even the RI is lower.

Why LF of the first route drop after I reduce the ticket price?

mmcg

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2011, 10:58:00 PM »
Give it some time, for God sake. Get rid of the route advertising, reset the price, fill all the demand and it'll all work out after a couple months.

*open new route* *give it one game day* *"Oh my God the LF sucks"*

GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2011, 12:18:26 AM »
Purpose of flying these routes is more to experimenting and troubleshooting the LF issue......

GDK

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2011, 07:42:30 AM »
Day 1
DR001    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 21
DR002    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 18
DR003    KMCO-KGNV    Demand - 60          Supply - 50                       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 48
DR004    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 19
DR005    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 0       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 46

Day 3
DR001    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 4       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 32.7
DR002    KMCO-KFLL     Demand - 250        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 4       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 29.3
DR003    KMCO-KGNV    Demand - 60          Supply - 50                       RI - 4       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 57
DR004    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 4       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 29
DR005    KMCO-KJAX     Demand - 100        Supply - 50 (Total 100)       RI - 4       Specific route advertisement - No      LF - 43.8

This time I purposely restarted and use ATR42 (previously ATR72), discount on all routes only 5% (15% previously), no specific advertisement for all routes.

From the data above, I really can't make any conclusion about this LF thing. It looks like the LF trend is unpredictable....

Offline Sami

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Re: LF talks. Not complaint, but discussion.
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2011, 10:25:31 AM »
You route image is zero or nearly zero so you cannot make any conclusions of the sales then. Would advise to leave it for at least two or three game months, and then check back.

(And also, there is a whole heap of other issues taking part here other than image, price and demand that you only compare)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2011, 10:28:24 AM by sami »

 

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