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Author Topic: B757 are not common to B767.. why?  (Read 1662 times)

Offline gustweit

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B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« on: July 14, 2011, 10:42:03 PM »
I guess the B757 and B767 are the same type rating, but they are not common to airwaysim..

Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 10:43:32 PM »
Would you like to lose 1/2 of the production line output if they were on the same production line in AWS?

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 10:44:15 PM »
Make a forum search on this pls....

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 10:53:06 PM »
Would you like to lose 1/2 of the production line output if they were on the same production line in AWS?

Were they same production line in real life? No.

Why would it be so in AWS? It is not that stupid. Just because A330/340 did, doesn't mean all others will.

There is more advantage to be gained having these common. Also parts commonality not just crew.

OP if you search you may find the other threads with more discussion of this it's very interesting.
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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2011, 10:57:13 PM »
I guess the B757 and B767 are the same type rating, but they are not common to airwaysim..

B757 is a narrow-body and B767 is a wide-body.  They also have completely different engine variants.

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2011, 11:00:28 PM »
B757 is a narrow-body and B767 is a wide-body.  They also have completely different engine variants.

LB, you are smarter than this. There is more to commonality than a fuselage.  They are both offered with similar engine types too, but engine commonality is already modelled. Widebody can be common with a narrowbody hence why A320 and A330 have some commonality (not just talking of pilots here). Just don't be so naive to think commonality is just what the eye can see, please.
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Offline LemonButt

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2011, 11:03:13 PM »
LB, you are smarter than this. There is more to commonality than a fuselage.  They are both offered with similar engine types too, but engine commonality is already modelled. Widebody can be common with a narrowbody hence why A320 and A330 have some commonality (not just talking of pilots here). Just don't be so naive to think commonality is just what the eye can see, please.

Just making a point that just because the cockpits are similar (type rating) doesn't mean the airframes are...

Offline alexgv1

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2011, 11:06:21 PM »
Just making a point that just because the cockpits are similar (type rating) doesn't mean the airframes are...

Certainly! That is not wrong. But what people don't appreciate is there is more to these plane in terms of avionics, systems, even rivets that is common than what you would believe. This boils down to the AWS concept of partial commonality which has been discussed in feature requests. Something I would really like to see implemented.
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Offline swiftus27

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 02:12:49 AM »
757 has good range so you will see that MANY MANY MANY MANY airlines will use them in this game in order to put so many flights on a route they are never flown in real life.  They are the plane to go in and force out the competition.

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 11:52:03 AM »
757 has good range so you will see that MANY MANY MANY MANY airlines will use them in this game in order to put so many flights on a route they are never flown in real life.  They are the plane to go in and force out the competition.

Yes but they will be nerfed when the engine release dates are finished as they lose initially 1000nm range on launch so then we will see more players using 767-200.
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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 12:19:48 PM »
Just making a point that just because the cockpits are similar (type rating) doesn't mean the airframes are...
they share over 70% of the the same parts...

Offline swiftus27

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 12:29:11 PM »
they share over 70% of the the same parts...

that's like saying we have 99% of the same dna monkeys do...

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 12:51:32 PM »
that's like saying we have 99% of the same dna monkeys do...

Therefore, humans and monkeys should be in the same fleet group.
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Offline alexgv1

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 12:56:10 PM »
they share over 70% of the the same parts...

Thank you sir, for some hard facts.

that's like saying we have 99% of the same dna monkeys do...

Swiftus, it really isnt; that is more parts commonality than the 737 classics and NGs. And we know how much you want them to share commonality.

No offense directed at anyone: although everyone is entitled to their opinions here, I think there should be a fine line drawn between people who think they know something and who actually know something when it comes to technical matters. Because the layman has a simplified view of these things and some concepts are hard for them to grasp. They come in with bold statements but actually the real facts should be believed from pilots, engineers and other people in industry.    
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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2011, 12:57:20 PM »
Therefore, humans and monkeys should be in the same fleet group.

Yes hence why we are two very closely related species. I'm sure a biological expert can clarify whether we are in the same genus or whatever.
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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2011, 12:57:50 PM »
Therefore, humans and monkeys should be in the same fleet group.

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2011, 12:58:45 PM »
Yes hence why we are two very closely related species. I'm sure a biological expert can clarify whether we are in the same genus or whatever.

It was a joke...

we're not in the same genus, but chances are, if there was a forum to discuss, I'd bet there would be lots of threads titled "Humans not common to monkees... why?"
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Offline alexgv1

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2011, 12:59:33 PM »
It was a joke...

Very appropriate one and also entertaining. I was agreeing with you btw, it was a good example.
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Offline swiftus27

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2011, 12:59:46 PM »
so angry in the morning many are...  must be from a lack of used planes on the market or slots at LHR or some whorish tool is flying F.27s on a route with 3000 demand...  sheesh.

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Re: B757 are not common to B767.. why?
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2011, 01:01:44 PM »
or some whorish tool is flying F.27s on a route with 3000 demand...  sheesh.

you got it ;)

I think them Fing 27 should be banned from AWS... With the exception that I'm allowed to use it if I please of course...
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