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Author Topic: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)  (Read 4261 times)

Online Sami

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Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« on: July 09, 2011, 12:32:40 PM »
Please remember one of the important changes in regards to scheduling and planning your routes in the new 1.3 game engine.

Do not plan flights to same destination at the same departure times (or dep. times very close to each others). This will not give good sales figures ...


Here is a more detailed quote from the changelog:

* Added a new method for calculating / reducing the effect of flight that depart at the same time:

   - If you have several flights to the same destination (ie. same route-pair) departing at the very same time, or very near the same time, they are counted almost like a single flight.

   - The "minimum departure interval" depends on how large the passenger demand of the route is. But rule of thumb is that on lower-demand sectors (less than ~400pax/day) the route departure times should be always at least 60 minutes apart. If the route is more busy the allowed interval drops linearily all the way to 5 minutes. On a 1000 pax/day route you can have the flights depart approx every 35 minutes, and on 4000pax/day route the min. interval is 15 mins between two flights. The interval is calculated so that players can keep decent frequencies during daylight hours.

   - If the flights are too close to each others they are treated basically as a single flight (but with the total amount of seats available of course), so this leads to lower sales for those flights that overlap or nearly overlap on dep. times.

   - But from now on, never make two flights depart to the same destination at the exactly same time.


There will, probably, be some indication or warning of this to the route planning interface during the coming weeks. But not fully certain yet as it may be a bit complicated to indicate to users. But for now please be aware of this change.

« Last Edit: July 09, 2011, 12:52:36 PM by sami »

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2011, 12:49:51 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the tip sami. Now I understand why my LF drop down so much during the test game :)

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2011, 01:06:47 PM »
Question.  If I have a route where flights must be scheduled every 35 minutes to avoid being viewed as one flight and I setup 3 flights at 500, 530, and 600--how does the game calculate which flights are duplicates?  Is it based on which routes were created first?  One could say all three of these should be one flight since the 500 and 600 are within 35 minutes of 530, but others would call it two flights since 500 and 600 are far enough away from each other and the 530 gets blended into one or the other.  Which is correct and how does the game determine which is correct?

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2011, 01:20:24 PM »
In that case flights 0500-0530 overlap and 0530-0600 overlap on their part. If the "minimum interval" would be more than 30 mins of course.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2011, 01:23:29 PM »
In that case flights 0500-0530 overlap and 0530-0600 overlap on their part. If the "minimum interval" would be more than 30 mins of course.

So...does that mean the game views it as one flight scheduled for 530?  Does the game go through chronologically by time (500, then 530, the 600) to check how close together flights are or is it base on flight number or what?  I know this seems silly, but it's a little thing that can make a big difference.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2011, 01:35:33 PM »
this will also close many 'loopholes'

For instance, using a 757-200 to fly trans atlantic will be impossible on many popular lines because they'd violate this and actually be worse off versus a widebody.

I cant wait to see how this plays out. 

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2011, 02:18:13 PM »
So...does that mean the game views it as one flight scheduled for 530?

Not actually, but if I just give a simple answer, then yes.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2011, 02:34:45 PM »
I again foresee this as the RISE of the widebodies!!!!   

And thank God!   I am so sick of seeing thousands of 757s go across the Atlantic. 

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2011, 03:30:09 PM »
I again foresee this as the RISE of the widebodies!!!!   

And thank God!   I am so sick of seeing thousands of 757s go across the Atlantic. 

Why?  Plenty of 757s across the pond in real life!  From DUB, they are the only viable option on many routes.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2011, 04:03:47 PM »
Yes, because DUB routes are filled by 757s. What was being talked about is airlines that fly JFK-LHR every 20 minutes in the evening to fill demand, yet get around the curfew.
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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2011, 04:59:45 PM »
Yes, because DUB routes are filled by 757s. What was being talked about is airlines that fly JFK-LHR every 20 minutes in the evening to fill demand, yet get around the curfew.

BINGO!  EXACTLY!  You dont see EWR to CDG being flown by 57s...  Continental has a few business/first only planes but that's maybe it.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2011, 05:58:47 PM »
BINGO!  EXACTLY!  You dont see EWR to CDG being flown by 57s...  Continental has a few business/first only planes but that's maybe it.

O rly?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA54/history/20110709/0120Z/KEWR/LFPG

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2011, 06:46:07 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the tip sami. Now I understand why my LF drop down so much during the test game :)

regards
I missed a test game? Ah jeez.

Romeozulu

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2011, 06:59:30 PM »
O rly?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA54/history/20110709/0120Z/KEWR/LFPG

CO54 is the plane I WAS talking about.  It was converted with lay flats just for this route. 
CO56 is a 767-400

These are their only 2 dailys.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2011, 07:16:58 PM »
CO54 is the plane I WAS talking about.  It was converted with lay flats just for this route. 
CO56 is a 767-400

These are their only 2 dailys.

It still has standard Y seats in the back. CO doesn't have any f/c only planes.

Most tatl 757s have had their seats upfront upgraded to lie flat to be competitive

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2011, 02:59:54 AM »
CO 110 is also a 757 OK its going to LHR but it does happen. I have be on the plane, pretty poor to be honest.

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2011, 04:19:57 PM »
Does this  also take into account your competitors flights?  If you both have flights leaving at the same time does that matter? 

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2011, 04:23:36 PM »
Does this  also take into account your competitors flights?  If you both have flights leaving at the same time does that matter? 
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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2011, 06:03:45 AM »
I was just wondering:  Suppose I am the only one flying on the route, and it has a demand of 300.  Suppose I fly 2x150 pax at the very same time.  Alternatively, I fly 1x300.  Shouldn't the result be identical?

What I am really wondering is if this only comes into play when I am competing against other airlines.  If no one else is flying, 2x150 should have the same LF as 1x300.  Has anybody tested this in Beta?

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Re: Note about route scheduling (v.1.3)
« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2011, 10:35:15 AM »
Is this frequency time frame enough?  I am starting to think that they need to be more time added.  For instance, you shouldn't be able to have planes leaving for LHR from JFK every 30 minutes.   That will still make it viable for the 757s to dominate. 

 

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