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Author Topic: No money  (Read 1051 times)

Clipper

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No money
« on: June 05, 2011, 10:08:56 AM »
I have no clue...
I played AS quite some games and I was always quite good....

now i had already the third airline and all are loosing money in NY in DTW and in PBI nothing works always well below break even...
What do I do wrong?

Pleas give me a hint!

LF is around 80%

Thanks Clipper

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: No money
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 10:24:45 AM »
I can tell you what you do wrong or could improve if you tell me/us exactly what you did :)

What aircraft did you choose? Where did you fly to? Competition or not? How much flights per day per aircraft? How much money for marketing?  etc. etc. etc.

Clipper

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Re: No money
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 11:12:35 AM »
OK i have 2 h121 whick where in former games good planes
I fly BWI no comp.  FL 75% once a day demand 100
      DTW no comp FL 75% once a day demand 107
      LGA just opened
      YYZ no comp FL /70% no comp once a day
      DFW  one competitor LF  70% double the demand  once a day

marketing 33k loosing 30-90k a week!

do you need something else?
 

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: No money
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 11:30:14 AM »
Hey,

some things I noticed;
1) Your aircraft consum very much fuel, nealy the same fuel as a B727-100 consumes that's also not profitable.
2) You fly many destinations instead of filling one bigger, causing more marketing costs.
3) You fly to destinations far away what decreases the number of flights per day per aircraft.

This with the current fuel prices makes your airline lose money.

DenisG

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Re: No money
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 12:00:33 PM »
Yip, HS121 way too costly at this time and your routes are too far. Don't forget, aircrafts do not make money when they are in the air, but when they take off! Too late at this stage, I recommend to restart and look out for aircrafts with healthy fuel slurping.
Cheers,
Denis

DenisG

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Re: No money
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 12:23:28 PM »
Oh, oh, not sure if JFK was a good choice for the restart...
Cheers,
Denis

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Re: No money
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 12:46:03 PM »
H121 will kill you in this game world. I just retired my last one. . .

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: No money
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 07:33:46 PM »
Compared to Curse etc I am by no means an experienced player but I learnt some stuff. Firstly, I used HS121 in beginners world. Since it was beginners world it is no match to here but my calculations show it can still be very very profitable. On the other hand this is "conditional" profitability. What I mean is, except for some very absurd planes, under right circumstances any plane can be profitable. Even Concorde.

For high fuel consuming planes to be profitable, they have to carry a lot passengers quickly. HS121 is one of the fastest planes so that's a plus. The 3B variant (which I find much better than other variants) carry a lot as well, but to be profitable it should be in high density configuration. This brings 2 other questions: Is there competition? If there is competition, passengers will not like to sit in your high density seats so there should be no competition. Second question is, where is the demand? When you put HD configuration on a HS121 its range decreases to around 800 nm if I remember correctly.

So, if there is no competition and there is enough demand in 800 nm range you can put HD configuration on HS1213B and make profit. But there is the most important thing which is already mentioned. Fly to dense routes. This means, avoid once-a-day routes if you can. I had routes where 3-4 HD configuration HS1213Bs were running 4x a day. That way you will make money. If you have to fly thin routes, if there is competition or if range does not allow HD HS1213B, switch to a more efficient plane.

Just my 2 cents.
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DenisG

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Re: No money
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 08:00:28 PM »
Correct, under the right conditions (fuel, pax, competition), it is possible to operate most aircrafts in a profitable way. The trick with the Concorde e.g. is to fly it high density only in F and C classs on the few routes that allow demand. Jona did it quite often from LHR and I even had some luck many scenarios ago from Tel Aviv. In the current environment of DotM, the H121 is too expensive. But even here, for the fun of it, increase prices by 20% and see what happens...
Cheers,
Denis

 

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