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Author Topic: Tu-114  (Read 1898 times)

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Tu-114
« on: May 15, 2011, 07:17:00 PM »
Early on in the game are these of use?

It seems a very cheap way to get up RI up and flights on long haul routes until they can be replaced at the first opportunity with something better/bigger/less thirsty/smaller crewed aircraft?

And I guess if someone you don't like gets in your way you could always use them to deliver a tactical nuke...

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2011, 07:18:34 PM »
Not worth it - too much effort to reschedule, and these won't make enough $$ to fund expansion
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Offline ukatlantic

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2011, 07:39:41 PM »
TU114 = 171 000 kg (Standard)  30 000 kg  Payload Range  4650 NM  Fuel Burn = 15 200 kg / hr Vs 707-320C = 151 500 kg (Standard) 34 000 kg  4410 NM Fuel Burn =11 910 kg / hr

Probably not worth the effort unless you pick the right config and have no competition fuel burn is far more than the 707 and its a slowe aircraft although can carry a 'few' extra pax, but not enough I think to be viable in this game  ;)

Offline LemonButt

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2011, 08:34:29 PM »
TU114 = 171 000 kg (Standard)  30 000 kg  Payload Range  4650 NM  Fuel Burn = 15 200 kg / hr Vs 707-320C = 151 500 kg (Standard) 34 000 kg  4410 NM Fuel Burn =11 910 kg / hr

Probably not worth the effort unless you pick the right config and have no competition fuel burn is far more than the 707 and its a slowe aircraft although can carry a 'few' extra pax, but not enough I think to be viable in this game  ;)

I have a big fleet of Tu114.  Yes--the 707 is a better aircraft, but only marginally.  You can buy 3 Tu114 for the price of 1 707 and the fuel burn issue is a non-issue since fuel is basically free.  The only downside is higher maintenance and staff costs, but this ends up being a wash since the lease price is 1/3 of what a 707 would be.  The production lists are the main reason for getting the Tu114 over B707.  The Tu114 flies at mach 0.71 versus mach 0.80 for a 707, so the speed issue isn't really an issue either considering you can do a 60 minute @ ~1% delay turnaround with the Tu114 versus 90 minutes with the 707.  In the end, this means if you are flying a route <3800nm that the Tu114 can fly it round trip in a shorter time, but any flights >3800nm you'll get home quicker on a 707.

I have 11 Tu114 in service with another 67 on order.  For 11 aircraft my commonality costs are ~100k/plane per month (includes engine commonality costs).  All of my Tu114 make between 150k and 200k gross profit per week flying international longhaul.  This compares to 50k to 100k for my DC7C flying 1500 to 3000nm routes (with only half the seats of the Tu114).  For the same price of 11 Tu114, I could have 4 B707 making me what, 175k to 225k profit on a good day?  In the end, there is nothing wrong with flying the Tu114 because it is competitive at this point in history/the game.

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2011, 08:34:34 PM »
you are forgetting 707 costs three times the amount of money than a Tu-114. When I fill my short range routes, if there are Tu-114s around I will go for them. Until something better shows up there is no other plane for 4-5 mio which can fly 4600+ miles and carry 220+ pax.

So please like the 707 more and buy/lease them I will need the Tu-114s after a while ;)
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Offline LemonButt

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2011, 09:13:31 PM »
you are forgetting 707 costs three times the amount of money than a Tu-114. When I fill my short range routes, if there are Tu-114s around I will go for them. Until something better shows up there is no other plane for 4-5 mio which can fly 4600+ miles and carry 220+ pax.

So please like the 707 more and buy/lease them I will need the Tu-114s after a while ;)

Oopps...I didn't see this was in the Dawn of the Millenium forum (thought it was Jet Age).  Either way, the comparison stands...for now :)

Offline diskoerekto

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Re: Tu-114
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 09:01:24 PM »
I leased a Tu-114 to see how it would do and it seems to me that making money from LH is very fragile at the moment. 707 seems less economic than Tu-114's due to higher lease costs but even with low lease costs of Tu-114, to only break even fuel costs, a standard config (Y188) Tu-114 needs 65% LF on a 3500 nm route with default price. A 707 would have made a daily flight on the same route (so does Tu-114) and carried similar amount of pax and with lower fuel consumption would need around 40% to break even the fuel costs. On the other hand, with 7000$ vs 1700$ daily lease, daily upkeep is around 35k$ vs 29k$. So, a 707 would probably need around 55%-60% LF to break even all costs (excluding advertisements, that is).

My conclusion would be, LH is not so profitable with the planes present. Back in the beginners world, life was much easier :).
« Last Edit: May 19, 2011, 09:14:14 PM by diskoerekto »
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