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Author Topic: Passenger Demand  (Read 4079 times)

CWLGamer

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Passenger Demand
« on: March 27, 2011, 02:25:42 PM »
Seems like EWR to PHL is not calculating correctly..... only 5 to 6 passengers per day and says 0/day at top.... ::)

Otherwise looks like this will be fun!

fatalsw1tch

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2011, 03:50:38 AM »
I'm noticing the same thing, however the ranking of this or similar routes is pretty high.

CWLGamer

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 02:05:52 PM »
Yeah -- No Change.... I am loading this route up and seeing what happens...... :o

CWLGamer

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 06:48:37 PM »
So I have the monopoly message on this EWR to PHL route...... Sami:  Can you fix the demand for this -- it is not accurate.

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 08:29:55 PM »
Can you fix the demand for this -- it is not accurate.

Pls tell me what is accurate for that route in year 1950 then? ;)

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 09:09:52 PM »
I pulled this from ehow.com, http://www.ehow.com/facts_7343899_commercial-air-travel-1950s.html


Introducing Coach

      World War II provided many technological improvements in flight, and commercial airplanes became faster and more efficient. This led to the creation of the coach class, which let people travel around the country for around 100 dollars, one third of the price of tickets in the 1940s.


Read more: Commercial Air Travel in the 1950s | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_7343899_commercial-air-travel-1950s.html#ixzz1I1bxjKgY


High Growth


      From 1950 to 1958, annual boarding more than doubled from 17.3 million to 38 million. Airports around the country needed to expand, and delays in luggage, take offs and even landings were commonplace.

so we take 17.3 million total passengers and then divide by the number of airports ? or something like that?

And i really believe that airports that were not opened in the 50's shouldn't be there as well as the correct names. But its not a bad thing, just if you are bored one day and have nothing else to code.

Also ehow makes it sound like ticket prices were much higher then the 49 dollars on basically every flight we see on here. Any one know of someone who can back this up so we can all make some money?

CWLGamer

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 10:26:58 PM »
Yes. Yes and YES!!

Airline transportation in the United States was heavily regulated beginning in 1937 by the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB).  They regulated everything from who flew what routes to pricing.  It was not until airline deregulation in 1978 that brought about the "supply/demand" model showcased so nicely in Airway Sim.  Pretty much the companies where monopolies and had guaranteed market share and price control - because they typically ran the CAB also.  Deregulation brought lower fares but with lower fares came lower standards, more seats in tighter spaces, and other side effects.

I would agree that fares need to be higher - much higher in this game.  As far as demand for PHL to EWR/EWR to PHL -- I think more then 4 or 5 a day would be slightly more realistic........   ;)

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 11:35:01 PM »
CWLGamer,

if you go to exspedia and look at the flights between EWR and PHL theres only 10 dialy flights on a/c with roughly 50 people so thats only 500 passengers and thats going by today. So you can figure back then its around 75-150 possibly? I think the train was the better option back then.

CWLGamer

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 02:58:17 AM »
Well let's have a look at actual load factors:

Here are all the US Airways flights from NYC (LGA and EWR) for tommorrow to PHL.....

Flight #   Departure   Arrival   Time   A/C             F Class   Y Class   F Sold     Y Sold
US 1267   6:00 AM (LGA)   6:57 AM (PHL)   57m   E90   11   88   2   88
US 4505   6:30 AM (EWR)   7:23 AM (PHL)   53m   DH8      50      45
US 4125   7:40 AM (LGA)   8:54 AM (PHL)   1h 14m   DH8      50      47
US 4283   8:15 AM (LGA)   9:34 AM (PHL)   1h 19m   DH8      50      37
US 4285   9:31 AM (LGA)   10:59 AM (PHL)   1h 28m   DH8      50      28
US 4525   11:20 AM (EWR)   12:12 PM (PHL)   52m   DH8      50      50
US 4481   11:25 AM (LGA)   12:48 PM (PHL)   1h 23m   DH8      50      26
US 4197   11:35 AM (LGA)   12:52 PM (PHL)   1h 17m   DH8      50      28
US 4110   11:50 AM (LGA)   1:07 PM (PHL)   1h 17m   DH8      50      47
US 3897   12:29 PM (LGA)   1:34 PM (PHL)   1h 5m   CRJ900      86      67
US 4593   12:37 PM (LGA)   1:55 PM (PHL)   1h 18m   DH8      50      17
US 4221   1:10 PM (LGA)   2:32 PM (PHL)   1h 22m   DH8      50      41
US 4487   1:55 PM (LGA)   3:15 PM (PHL)   1h 20m   DH8      50      27
US 4317   2:30 PM (LGA)   3:51 PM (PHL)   1h 21m   DH8      50      33
US 4135   2:59 PM (LGA)   4:20 PM (PHL)   1h 21m   DH8      50      49
US 4527   2:59 PM (EWR)   3:57 PM (PHL)   58m   DH8      50      48
US 4345   5:55 PM (LGA)   7:14 PM (PHL)   1h 19m   DH8      50      48
US 4539   6:00 PM (EWR)   6:55 PM (PHL)   55m   DH8      50      50
US 4581   6:29 PM (LGA)   7:44 PM (PHL)   1h 15m   DH8      50      48
US 3035   6:59 PM (LGA)   8:15 PM (PHL)   1h 16m   ERJ175      86      79
US 4329   7:29 PM (LGA)   8:49 PM (PHL)   1h 20m   DH8      50      46
US 3701   9:10 PM (LGA)   10:06 PM (PHL)   56m   CRJ900      86      38
                        
            
                       F Class      Y Class   F Sold    Y Sold        
TOTALS      11     1246     2    987
These are real and accurate figures for just US Airways out of LGA and EWR.
« Last Edit: March 30, 2011, 03:09:05 AM by CWLGamer »

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 03:14:31 AM »
I did not  know you were doing both aiports :(
there still seems to be a low demand for EWR though...
earthier way the demand needs to be fixed some what.

Offline sergio

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 05:45:21 PM »
I pulled this from ehow.com, http://www.ehow.com/facts_7343899_commercial-air-travel-1950s.html
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According to it
Beforehand, pilots only had a vague idea where other planes were, ...1956 a TWA liner collided in flight with a United DC-7, killing 128 people. Afterwards, Congress passed the Federal Aviation Act of 1958, requiring air traffic to be monitored by radar at all times.

may be we should introduce some aircrashes, acts of terror, typhoons (not just delay, but with severe structural damage), lighnings, and Comets falling from sky?

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 09:14:00 PM »
I don't know exactly how finnish law andle this, but in Germany it may be problematic to use random crashes in a game with real (aircraft, picture) aircraft without paying for this.

L1011fan

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Re: Passenger Demand
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 01:24:59 AM »
Back then people would have driven most likely. At this point in the game, and its only my opinion, flying would be the LAST consideration for a route that short much less anything right around that radius. Probably at most a train? Then cannot be compared to now.

 

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