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Author Topic: Which Is Better?  (Read 4049 times)

Offline iFlysimX

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Which Is Better?
« on: January 27, 2011, 08:47:14 PM »
For Small Routes

ATR 42-500

or

de Havilland Canada DHC-8-300B

???

Thanks!!

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 10:10:28 PM »
ATR is better.

Props always beat jets on short routes.

Do note that any route under 50 pax is not going to make enough $ to cover the overhead of an airline - only expand to small routes once you have at least 10 big planes.
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Offline RushmoreAir

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 12:44:43 AM »
ATR is better.

Props always beat jets on short routes.

Do note that any route under 50 pax is not going to make enough $ to cover the overhead of an airline - only expand to small routes once you have at least 10 big planes.

DH8-300 is a Prop!  And I think the Dash-8 is better because it seats slightly more, and it has a large range of variants under the same commonality umbrella.

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 12:51:35 AM »
Lol, sorry your right. For some reason, I had it in my head that DHC8 is a jet, but w/e.

If they're both props, take the one with higher seating capacity.
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altmants

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 01:43:24 AM »
I dunno about props always beating jets. I have a B717-200(own) with High Density config doing a route 120nm 6x daily and its making 1,000,000 weekly profit. Which surprisingly is about the same profit my 757-300 are making.

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2011, 02:17:16 AM »
If there is that much demand and you can afford to buy, a prop would make you quite a bit as well
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Offline romeozulu

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2011, 12:01:13 PM »
Dash 8 -300 use 2+2 crews since ATR 42 uses 2+1  :P


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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2011, 12:47:20 AM »
Dash 8 -300 use 2+2 crews since ATR 42 uses 2+1  :P



Yeah, not a lot of people notice that. Good job.

Zabuti

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 05:37:14 PM »
Which is actually funny since everytime I travel by DH8, I only have 1 flight attendant :-)

Anyway, based on the chart I use to choose my planes, the ATR is slightly consuming more than the DH8 per travelling passenger per nautic mile. (ATR 72-500 is 0.01229 whereas DH8 is 0.01115). Therefore, DH8 burn slightly less fuel than ATR.

However, they cost you an average 19 257 $ for maintenance checks per week whereas the ATR is 18 440 $ per week. This figure includes the average payment for the four checks over a period of 7 operating years. If you remove the D checks, the ATR is still a bit less expensive on the long term (14 728$ weekly against 15 380 $ weekly for the DH8).

If you plan to have a plane flying longer routes ( about more than 600nm), you should definitely go with the DH8. If you plan shorter routes, the ATR is fine since you have less maintenance costs incurred and the fuel consumption difference will not break even.

Hope this helps
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 05:53:32 PM by Flobacca »

Offline romeozulu

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2011, 12:22:05 PM »

If you plan to have a plane flying longer routes ( about more than 600nm), you should definitely go with the DH8. If you plan shorter routes, the ATR is fine since you have less maintenance costs incurred and the fuel consumption difference will not break even.


Remember that you will not make good profit if you fly those planes on long routes  :P So the best choice would be the ATR (Yes i am an ATR lover lol )

Offline iFlysimX

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2011, 03:05:28 PM »
How about the Bombardier Dash 8-Q400?? It seem VERY nice. Fast, More PAX......

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2011, 03:34:53 PM »
How about the Bombardier Dash 8-Q400?? It seem VERY nice. Fast, More PAX......

Clement

Arguably the best turboprop available. Much more economical than jets of a similar size. Decent speeds, and on short flights, the sector times can often be the same or only +/- 5 minutes using the Q400 compared to jets. Seems like a fair bet to me, Carrying up to 78 pax, and the ability to add business class.
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Offline JumboShrimp

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2011, 04:51:09 PM »
How about the Bombardier Dash 8-Q400?? It seem VERY nice. Fast, More PAX......

Clement

That would be my choice in the class.

Zabuti

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2011, 08:49:54 PM »
Remember that you will not make good profit if you fly those planes on long routes  :P So the best choice would be the ATR (Yes i am an ATR lover lol )


So am I :-)

But honestly, I make more profit with Dash on slightly long routes. However, I prefer to switch to A320 family ASAP :-)


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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2011, 06:53:17 PM »
I've been operating the Dash 8 Q400 for three years (game time) and they are brilliant on routes that are under 500nm. As the name suggests, they are quite fast cruisers so on routes of 200nm (ish) the Q400 is only 5 or 10 minutes slower than jets. I find that they save a huge amount of fuel, even when compared to the most modern regional jets, but in comparison to the ATR (which I was strongly considering when I started my airline), it was the speed and capacity that won it over for me. Either way, best thing to do is make sure they get a good five or six flights a day, then they should rake in the cash.

Offline iFlysimX

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2011, 07:02:02 PM »
Bombardier Dash 8-Q400

Or

ERJ 145

What do you think?? ERJ145 is cheaper lease but twice as much fuel......Which one is better??

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2011, 07:08:22 PM »
Bombardier Dash 8-Q400

Or

ERJ 145

What do you think?? ERJ145 is cheaper lease but twice as much fuel......Which one is better??

Q400 every time! Without a doubt!

GEnx

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Re: Which Is Better?
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2011, 07:21:25 PM »
The Embraer ERJ-145 sucks badly.. Very badly, especially compared to the Q400.

 

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