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Author Topic: AN-158  (Read 1468 times)

Offline Frogiton

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AN-158
« on: December 10, 2010, 12:57:57 AM »
I think the Antonov 158 could actually be a successful Russian Airliner if people caught on. Compare it to the E-190STD and it holds just 8 people less, gets the same mileage, but costs over 25% less.
No replacement for displacement

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2010, 07:42:17 AM »
I'm not familiar with this aircraft, but I think the fuel burn and maintenance cost will be a big issue.

Offline Frogiton

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 01:02:52 AM »
Same fuel burn.
No replacement for displacement

Offline Name_Omitted

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 03:13:37 AM »
It's actually a good aircraft... and until you brought it up, one with a short line!   >:(

Actually, I am really hoping someone who has an older airline will have a nice, long production run to keep the line open for another 2-3 years for when I really take off.

Offline raptorva

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 03:29:27 AM »
same for the real world too. Its one of those new Russian types that stands a chance competing with western types if only the manufacturers can provide more (or in some cases even start to offer) after-sales support.

Offline Andriy

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 09:48:02 AM »
AN-158 objective is replacing aging soviet equipment, like Tu154/134 & Yakovlev 40/42. There are hundreds if not thousands of those still around, mostly in Russia. And it was designed to fly in tough conditions, in can be operated & repaired in the airports where Boeings and Airbuses would be  scared even to come around:))
Unfortunately this is not factored in AWS - you can still fly some state-of-the-art new Airbus into the provincial Russian airport with no problems

The biggest competitor for AN158 are actually not the boeing/airbus/embraer but rather Russian Sukhoj Super Jet, which theoretically could be a match for it, but in practice has suffered major delays, already 3-4 years late and has not even started commercial opperation. Funny enough, Russian Government preffered Antonov 158 over SSJ for its airfleet... this tells something:)

PS: this all said, AN-158 would never manage to be a successful Russia plane as ... it's a Ukrainian aircraft, desineg & built by Antonov, same guys who did worlds biggest cargo planes AN124 and AN225

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 01:15:52 PM »
I have a sizeable fleet of AN-148's and launched the -158. I have had a lot of success with these aircraft and would operate them in a minute again, no matter where in the world I base. They held up very well with the $1000 gas spike recently. All but 1 contunued to turn nice profits, and the 1 that didnt is operating on a mrginal route with load factors around 70%. A couple months ago, I did a cost comparison for both the AN-140 (compared it to the similar ATR-42) and the AN-148E (compared to the EMB-175LR) and found that, based on a 7 year lease, for each respective aircraft fuel would have to climb over $1200-$1800 for the slightly higher fuel burn and maintainance costs to make the plane equal to their respective comperable aircraft. Ill take a $20 million plane that can fly 2120nm with 70 pax over a $38 million plane that can fly 2120nm with 76 passengers any day. The divverence in fuel burn on the -148 compared to the -175 is about 40kgs/hour, IIRC. Hardly enough to offset a lease that is $250k a month more expensive.....

Of course, by posting things like this I fear the plane may catch on in future game worlds, but if it does, it means the line for EMB's is shorter, so everyone wins  :)


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Offline Frogiton

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 03:32:32 PM »
You're not in any danger of long A-158 production lines, there's only 26 orders but If I was in need of them I would definently order a bunch of them, or if my airline goes bankrupt, which doesn't seem like will happen anytime soon. But I'm surprised it hasn't caught on a lot more because it has the exact same stats basically as the E-190 and costs 11 million less.
No replacement for displacement

Offline Name_Omitted

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 03:08:25 AM »
Now you've done it.  The used market has completely dried up! >:( ;)

Offline Frogiton

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 04:27:19 AM »
Antonov should pay me some royalties  ;).
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Offline Name_Omitted

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 05:36:56 PM »
Well... I've been reduced to actually buying new.  But it's Russian tin, so that's still cheaper than decent quality used elsewhere (if I have to buy new, I may as well fish for others to keep the line open until the end of the game).  8) 8)

Offline markyezy

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Re: AN-158
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 07:56:08 AM »
But the nice thing about the Emb is that you can buy the three different planes moving more people and retain your fleet type.

 

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