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Author Topic: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?  (Read 3351 times)

Offline b773

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Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« on: December 08, 2010, 01:41:34 AM »
Hi, I am considering flying interior-Florida flights, and a lot of the flights are very short and have low demand around 40 pax a day.
I just am wondering if it is worth flying these routes? If so what would be the best plane to fly?
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2010, 03:04:11 AM »
Yes. But you must look at the cost to run them too. Make sure you don't have to get another type of aircraft which will increase your fleet cost. Make sure the cost to run them can be covered up by the income, more routes = more staff, landing fees and so on. Don't forget slots fee too. Usually this kind of route are flying to smaller airport with lower slots fee. If the slots fee is too high, don't go. And try to avoid peak hour because the slots are more expensive. Last, best plane to fly = props. Don't ever go to regional jets.

p/s : I started late in DOTM and I survive to a fleet of 40 aircraft by flying this kind of <800nm ~50 pax routes.

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2010, 03:14:21 AM »
Thank you, I am only going to run a Convair CV-240 currently, and then decide if I want to continue these flights.
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2010, 03:59:39 AM »
Convair are nice for these routes. CV-340 and 440 also suitable for them.
Wish you luck.

Offline powi

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2010, 08:08:42 PM »
If long-haul is left out, the shorter the route the bigger the income. Two short routes always generate more profit than one long one.

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2010, 08:15:41 PM »
If long-haul is left out, the shorter the route the bigger the income. Two short routes always generate more profit than one long one.

Agreed.
But got to beware of the overhead cost as well.

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2010, 09:49:01 PM »
Well, I ended going bankrupt on my last airline. Due to I expanding too quickly, but I just started up a new airline.
I have 15 destinations, 14 out of them are less than 500 miles.
I opened so many because all most all of the routes at the other airports were free, and the aircraft were less than 2 million, and newer.
Thanks,
B773

Offline yevgeniy

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2010, 11:24:58 PM »
One thing about destinations, the more you have the more marketing expense.

virtual

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2010, 01:25:34 AM »
Hi, I am considering flying interior-Florida flights, and a lot of the flights are very short and have low demand around 40 pax a day.
I just am wondering if it is worth flying these routes? If so what would be the best plane to fly?

I run In china like 100 airports with less than 50 paxs routes some as low as 20 with De havilland heron 2 ( 14 paxs plane =)

the main problem that cuts my profits is the  huge staff i have to pay...

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2010, 02:06:22 AM »
I run In china like 100 airports with less than 50 paxs routes some as low as 20 with De havilland heron 2 ( 14 paxs plane =)

the main problem that cuts my profits is the  huge staff i have to pay...
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Yes I have learned that, my staff is very expensive for opperating 5 planes
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2010, 06:29:00 AM »
That's what we called it the silence killer - overhead cost.

Fly ~200nm route if possible. Expanding quick is not a problem provided you do not take extra loan from bank. And also got to be careful when choosing your fleet. Cheap aircraft is only for starting and they got high maintenance cost with high fuel requirement. I believe those you get below $2m are Russian props.

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2010, 04:25:34 PM »
That's what we called it the silence killer - overhead cost.

Fly ~200nm route if possible. Expanding quick is not a problem provided you do not take extra loan from bank. And also got to be careful when choosing your fleet. Cheap aircraft is only for starting and they got high maintenance cost with high fuel requirement. I believe those you get below $2m are Russian props.
Nope, I knew better than not to lease Russian Props, I operate 4 CV-240s, 1 CV-340, and 1 DC-6B.
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2010, 05:13:50 PM »
I see. All are nice planes. You'll be doing well with that. :)

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2010, 05:32:33 PM »
I see. All are nice planes. You'll be doing well with that. :)
Why thank you, and I am doing well. I just added another plane to my fleet. Another CV-340. So I presume I am doing well.
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2010, 07:51:01 PM »
CV-340 my favourite :laugh:
I used to conquer the whole Japan with over 90% market share at the 3 biggest airport using CV-340 as my workhorse.  :laugh:

drewsy aki

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2010, 10:52:09 PM »

I AM FLYING  TWO HERONS AND A DOVE ON SHORT THIN ROUTES BUT GETTING NOWHERE...! ZERO LOAD FACTOR ON ONE ROUTE. DONT KNOW WHAT GOING ON. HELP..!! GOT SMALL ADD CAMPEIGN AND CHEAP PLANES, JUST CANT GET A DECENT RETURN.

Offline b773

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2010, 12:16:16 AM »
I AM FLYING  TWO HERONS AND A DOVE ON SHORT THIN ROUTES BUT GETTING NOWHERE...! ZERO LOAD FACTOR ON ONE ROUTE. DONT KNOW WHAT GOING ON. HELP..!! GOT SMALL ADD CAMPEIGN AND CHEAP PLANES, JUST CANT GET A DECENT RETURN.
What are the exact passenger demands?
Is there any competition on the routes?
Thanks,
B773

GDK

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2010, 07:43:42 AM »
Also your fleet age and flight time.
Nobody is going to take midnight flight on a route of 200nm...

drewsy aki

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2010, 09:24:37 AM »
 The routes have more passengers than the planes can carry(just), and the dep times arnt very late either, but the planes arnt that new..

Offline powi

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Re: Is it worth it to fly 300 or miles less flights?
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2010, 09:34:57 AM »
Zero LF is probably due new route and cancellation on the first time it was flown. That's the only way I've ever seen 0% LF on a route with any demand.

 

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