Missing aircraft models from database

Scott · November 26, 2016, 01:04:17 PM

Has anyone mentioned the BAe 125 yet?

Captim · November 27, 2016, 07:02:48 PM

Quote from: TheLostNZ on November 21, 2016, 11:23:57 AM
only problem with those are the delivery dates, imagine the backlog that will still be on those by the time the GW ended.
Look at the backlog on the ejets in GW2 8 years of deliverys, and by that stage there will be alot of big orders for new models, both for fleet replacement and UM spaming, unless they games lasted until 2040 there may be no use for them, just my thoughts but anyway

The huge production on a medium a/c model will clear the old gen orders pretty quickly. It will actually offer an interesting strategy choice for those operators. Keep ordering or wait for the new models to come on stream...?

Quote from: NovemberCharlie on November 21, 2016, 12:59:58 PM
Could say the same thing about the 777X, C919, A330NEO, A350...

Exactly, IMO the GW standard end in 2030 make these a/c essentially vanity projects, they barely break even in nett CV terms. GW's need another 5 to 10 years in my view, when the shiny new stuff that many players want to field can actually sing.

Anyway, it's all a moot point. They are actually in the air today ( and the project was announced over three years ago ), as opposed to the F120 and 77X. They must be included ASAP.

http://www.embraer.com/en-US/ImprensaEventos/Press-releases/noticias/Pages/First-E190-E2-Jet-Completes-Maiden-Flight-Ahead-of-Schedule-.aspx

NovemberCharlie · January 02, 2017, 09:57:59 PM

I think these models should be added regardless...
Before the game can be extended beyond 2030 there need to be sufficient viable options in all classes to sustain all airlines.

So I think this discussion is kind of a chicken and the egg discussion.

Just add them and if there is enough support extend the game.

MuzhikRB · January 23, 2017, 09:19:22 PM

Hello

How about another Russian plane for Soviet fans.

MC-21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irkut_MC-21#Specifications

While it has little strict data about fuel consumption, but 2 of 3 modifications have Pratt&Whittney engine option which can help in this estimation.
First deliveries 2016-2017 mean it can be good fit for current GW timing.

raptorva · February 26, 2017, 09:18:19 AM

Not a huge amount of info but there was plans for a stretch of the Dornier 328 turboprop (no mention of the stretch applying for the jet);

48 seat stretch (compared to the normal 30-33 seat in standard seating, not high density) involving newer, more powerful P&W engines of the PW100 family, a larger wing and fuselage plugs inserted fore and aft of the wing. Same cruise speed as the standard model. Would also need stronger main gear, spoilers, refined engine nacelle and larger propellers.

Seen as being a competitor to the Saab 2000 and the Jetstream 51, ATR42 and Dash 8-300.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%202730.html
https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%202731.html

Production seems to have been delayed and ultimately shelved by DASA after the DASA-Fokker merger to avoid competition with the Fokker 50. Article suggests a model name of 328S (presumably 328 Stretch, like the 328JET).

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1991/1991%20-%201429.html

Above article linked (from before the 328s first flight) lists a proposed availability for the stretch as being in 1996 and using more powerful PW119 engines.

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1996/1996%20-%202413.html

This article in 1996 lists not only a stretch for the turboprop but also a stretch for the jet, the turbofan stretch here being called the 328-700. The stretch turboprop here is being called the 328-500 and listes the possibility of using PW-150/2s.Also a few proposals of engine options for a standard model improvement the 328-300 with various new turboprop engines for a higher top cruise speed of 375kts at 22,000ft, with the -700 listed as 410 knots and the -500 listed as 370 knots. Also mentions talk of a 900nm range for both variants with future ER versions for up to 1200nm.

As a fan of the Dorniers, I'd love to see these being in game, even if the larger stretch of the jet would probably clash with the 528/728/928 family of RJs. The turboprop though could have a place. Would be nice to have more options in current GW3 for regional birds in this size category.

Edit; looks like at least a stretch of the jet was seriously considered and got the name 428JET. Maybe a stretch of the turboprop then would be just the 428?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Dornier_428JET

NovemberCharlie · March 09, 2017, 11:11:54 PM

Some nice additions
Boeing has "soft launched" the 737 MAX 10, meaning that if it receives orders it will be build (which I believe is the AWS prerequisite).
Would make for a nice addition in the longer gameworlds, *hint* current gw3 *hint*

Manufacturer Boeing
Fleet group Boeing 737-600/700/800/900/MAX
Model Boeing 737 MAX 10
Size class Large aircraft

Project launched 07th March 2017
First deliveries 2020
Area of production United States
Description "The 737 MAX 10 is a development of the 737 MAX 9, having a stretched fuselage and lengthened landing gear."

Cruise speed Mach 0.78 / 447 kts TAS
Runway requirement Slightly more than MAX 9, but not too much due to trailing link MLG(@ MTOW)
Turn-around time 40 mins
Minimum crew Pilots: 2, Cabin crew: 4
Seating configuration Y: 174, C: 15, F: 0 (Factory default), Maximum 230

MTOW Slightly more than MAX 9
Payload Slightly more than MAX 9
Range 3100nm
Average fuel burn Slightly more than MAX 9
List price Slightly more than MAX 9


Italics mark "uncertain values"
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-unveils-first-image-of-737-max-10-434859/
http://www.b737.org.uk/737max10.htm
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/839536382682914816

Also while I am at it the 737 MAX 200.
It's the same as the MAX 8, however it has a different exit configuration allowing for a higher amount of passengers (in high density seating).
http://www.b737.org.uk/737max.htm#200

And let's not forget the A321LR
Manufacturer Airbus
Fleet group Airbus A318/A319/A320/A321
Model Airbus A321LR
Size class Large aircraft

Project launched 21st October 2017
First deliveries 2018
Area of production Europe (joint project)
Description "The A321LR is a long range medium sized aircraft intended to open new smaller routes over longer distances."

Cruise speed Mach 0.79 / 450 kts TAS
Runway requirement Slightly more than A321NEO(@ MTOW)[/i]
Turn-around time 40 mins
Minimum crew Pilots: 2, Cabin crew: 4
Seating configuration   Y: 186, C: 15, F: 0 (Factory default), Maximum 240

MTOW 97000kg
Payload Slightly more than A321NEO
Range 3900nm
Average fuel burn Slightly more than A321NEO
List price Slightly more than A321NEO

https://leehamnews.com/2014/10/21/exclusive-airbus-launches-a321neolr-long-range-to-replace-757-200w/
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-aviation/airbus-launches-long-range-a321neo-version

NovemberCharlie · March 14, 2017, 02:18:21 PM

LOW PRIORITY/placeholder
For when cargo gets into the game:
I found a good source for the Antonov 124:
http://www.maximus.aero/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Antonov.pdf

and the Ilyushin-76:
http://www.maximus.aero/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Ilyushin-IL-76.pdf

qunow · March 17, 2017, 07:46:57 AM

qunow · March 22, 2017, 05:12:45 PM

Some cargo aircraft:
Antonov An-132
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/an-132-light-multipurpose-transport-aircraft/

CASA C-295
http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_c295_en.php

Lockheed LM-100J
http://news.lockheedmartin.com/2017-02-09-Lockheed-Martin-Rolls-Out-First-LM-100J-Super-Hercules-Commercial-Freighter

Some aircrafts that are not clearly defined yet:
Boeing MoM/797X
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-airline-support-gathers-around-boeing-mom-434961/

Bombardier CS500
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/bombardier-confirms-cseries-wing-could-accommodate-l-427129/

Bombardier Dash 8 Q700
http://aviationclub.aero/article/view/3627/

Comac C939
http://www.deagel.com/Airliners/COMAC-C939_a002812001.aspx

qunow · May 10, 2017, 08:09:15 PM

Boeing 757-200X
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-close-to-decision-on-757-200x-launch-57114/

Airbus A350-900ULR
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/a350-900ulr-range-figure-not-a-revision-airbus-437060/

Airbus A350-900 with 280t MTOW
http://atwonline.com/airframes/airbus-build-280-tonne-mtow-a350-900

Airbus A330-200 with 238t MTOW (should be available before they make the 242t A332)
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressreleases/press-release-detail/detail/airbus-offers-new-242-tonne-a330-takeoff-weight-capability-to-extend-market-coverage/

Dasha · June 04, 2017, 02:03:44 PM

Quote from: qunow on March 17, 2017, 07:46:57 AM
MC-21
https://leehamnews.com/2016/02/08/irkut-mc-21-first-analysis/
http://www.rusaviainsider.com/irkut-mc-21-russian-aircraft/
http://mc21eng.irkut.com/family/characteristics/
http://www.uacrussia.ru/ru/aircraft/lineup/civil/ms-21/aircraft-specific/
Info for -100 variant: https://aviationvoice.com/is-russian-ms-21-good-enough-to-join-the-oligopolistic-market-201608171550/
For -400: http://www.deagel.com/Airliners/MS-21-400_a001815003.aspx

It's already made it's first flight. Can we expect this one in the next new GW2?

gazzz0x2z · June 04, 2017, 05:10:12 PM

Quote from: Dasha on June 04, 2017, 02:03:44 PM

It's already made it's first flight. Can we expect this one in the next new GW2?

The cool thing is that it would make more next-gen aircraft. In current GW3, there won't be anything new for the last 16 years

11Air · June 05, 2017, 11:37:14 AM

If Sami is going to take games beyond 2020 then new variants are more interesting.
For Aircraft Types - Initially take a newer type (not a version) and apply a sensible stretch to it.
For Variants - Assume new engine developments provided as upgrade kits to improve take-off power (+ to GTOW or - to Runway Length).
Some aircraft types may also benefit from a reduction in pax allowing smaller engine types, shorter runways, etc.

Just apply some common sense rather than worry about if it's right. Predicting the future isn't what the game is about.

And by the way, all our established players have a pretty good idea of how to match routes and types.
Why not change all the aircraft names, the history of cities and countries, and have a completely fictional game where types and routes are not recognisable.

By the way, the Britten Norman Islander (the twin version) is still in manufacture (2017) in Portsmouth UK for a foreign military customer.

Loving the game

NovemberCharlie · June 19, 2017, 09:12:32 AM

Sami,

For long term play ability I urge you to add some of the models discussed in this thread, particularly:
MC21 Family
A330 Regional
A350ULR
COMAC C939
737 MAX 200
A321LR

and the two aircraft launched at the PAS17, yesterday and today:
737 MAX 10
A380 Plus

If you act now, the latter two could still be added even to GW3, however I think it is especially important to add all of these before the new GW2 1950-2035 hits the selling point of these aircraft.

As I have mentioned before, I 'd be glad to help, however I don't have the opportunity...

Cheers,

NC

qunow · June 19, 2017, 11:24:20 AM

Quote from: NovemberCharlie on June 19, 2017, 09:12:32 AM
COMAC C939

I think you mean C929, as the only thing known about the C939 is its appx. capacity, we don't even know when will they start work on it other than after C929.

Quote
A321LR

I think I have read about it somewhere that A321LR are basically A321neo with additional fuel tank. Not sure would it be better to be offer as an new model, or as an option under A321neo like 77L.

Quote
A380 Plus

IIRC the most major improvement for A380Plus are engine PIP improvement, cabin layout reconfiguration, and then winglet. I don't know if that justify a new model in AWS....

NovemberCharlie · June 19, 2017, 12:58:05 PM

C929, of course, my bad

As for the A321LR. Could be added as a variant of the neo or as a new one. Either way it has a market for smaller route pairs and 757 replacement

A380neo, should (according to Airbus) give 4% less fuel burn and 80 extra seats. Or extra range at the same seats... perhaps not the most interesting of my requests, but it could open more options and the A380 replacement is needed more in this game than before (new builds would hit their 3rd D check at game end), and less new aircraft would have their second for sure. 77x and new 380s can do some of the work. But in my opinion this option would give some relief

qunow · June 20, 2017, 01:15:10 AM

Quote from: NovemberCharlie on June 19, 2017, 12:58:05 PM
A380neo, should (according to Airbus) give 4% less fuel burn and 80 extra seats. Or extra range at the same seats... perhaps not the most interesting of my requests, but it could open more options and the A380 replacement is needed more in this game than before (new builds would hit their 3rd D check at game end), and less new aircraft would have their second for sure. 77x and new 380s can do some of the work. But in my opinion this option would give some relief

hum. Just come over a photo https://imagr.eu/up/bfsjK_DCrWhiIWsAA2qZo.jpg that said they are also adding 3t MTOW to the A380 plus. And also extended A check and C check interval - but I think that is not modelled in AWS?

qunow · June 21, 2017, 06:16:52 PM

ATR42-600S
http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/pressrelease/atr-sees-strong-market-potential-for-atr-42-600-with-enhanced-stol-capabilities-1452-en.html

qunow · June 28, 2017, 01:23:41 AM

Data for some A350 MTOW variants https://leehamnews.com/2017/06/27/airbus-augments-a350-1000-capability/#more-23972
--------------------------------
Tecnam P2012 https://p2012.tecnam.org/news/tecnam-celebrate-traveller-sales-success-at-aero-friedrichshafen-2017/
IPTN N-2130 https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/iptn-speeds-up-n-2130-regional-jet-programme-19739/
TRJet TRP328/TRJ328 https://runwaygirlnetwork.com/2016/07/19/328-type-certificate-holder-breathes-new-life-into-aircraft/
TRJet TRP628/TRJ628 http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense-news/bizwatch/2015/10/10/how-turkish-turkeys-planned-trjet-program/73572570/
Denel SARA http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/air-transport/2016-09-21/south-africas-denel-unveils-regional-airliner-mockup
AVIC Y-12F http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15461/FAA_Type_Certification_For_Chinese_Y_12F_Turboprop_Aircraft
Cessna Denali https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2016/july/25/textron-unveils-denali-single-engine-turboprop
Eviation Alice http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/electric-planes-have-gone-april-fools-joke-reality-two-years-1627372

qunow · July 03, 2017, 02:43:36 PM

As we are getting the cargo gameworld, I think it would be a good idea if we get some combi aircrafts which have less seats in exchange for more rooms for cargo.
Off my head and from wiki some aircrafts available in combi variants include: DC-6, DC-7, DC-8, 707, 727, 737, ATR, PC-12, Dash-8, 747, DC-10, MD-11, L-188, HS-748, 757, F-27, CV-240, A300, A310, Caravelle