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Author Topic: Getting a new aircraft  (Read 4174 times)

Iflames

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Getting a new aircraft
« on: October 10, 2010, 02:51:23 PM »
hi guys! I recently started playing AWS and in the biginners world i made alot of money and you can always find a aircraft that you like.
now in the new game world i just cant find decent airplanes for the medium distance(like a 737) on the used market.
I tought by myself that is becouse of a new game world and everyone is jumping on the good aircraft.
my question is if someone can tell me if this is going to change or do i have to look at a new aircraft lease or buy?

I also like to say that i really like AWS and that the community here is one of the friendliest i have ever seen!
Sorry for my bad english, used alot of google translate ;)

Keep up the good work AWS !!

Iflames


DenisG

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2010, 02:56:27 PM »
That is kind of the challenge in all big scenarios at the start; later on in the game, this becomes much easier, but it is definitely part of the challenge to grow fast at the beginning. So, you are not alone, probably everybody is experiencing this as usual.

Denis

Offline Sigma

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2010, 02:59:00 PM »
This is just part of the startup strategy that's very important.

Do you want to buy new and pay more and wait longer, or do you want to take your chances and wait on the Used market for something that might show up there?  There's no right or wrong answer.

Offline MidlandDeltic

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2010, 03:02:37 PM »
Indeed they are.  Additional second hand aircraft are filtering in from the brokers, but you have to be prepared to sacrifice fleet commonality (I ended up with a 737-200 which I didn't really want), and you have to get in and take them straight away.  For example, a few minutes ago there were 3 737-300s on, I got one but the others had also gone by the time I got back to the market screen.

I guess it'll ease later (this is my first start-up game), but at the minute any suitable aircraft has to be taken if growth is your main aim.

MD

Iflames

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2010, 03:03:45 PM »
Its all about your strategy then. sounds pretty realisctic and that is the goal of the game right ? :p

thanks for the fast responses guys !

Flames
« Last Edit: October 10, 2010, 03:06:48 PM by Iflames »

DenisG

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2010, 04:25:30 PM »
Sure, we are fast in respsonding: Nothing else to do except clicking F5 on the used a/c page...    :-[  ;D
Denis

altmants

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2010, 05:27:57 PM »
Well, they are some 747-200 I've seen that were cheaper than A321-200s! Similar with DC-10s.

Offline MidlandDeltic

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2010, 07:07:00 PM »
Well, they are some 747-200 I've seen that were cheaper than A321-200s! Similar with DC-10s.

Maybe, but the turnround time crucifies you on short haul!

MD

Jps

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2010, 07:20:16 PM »
Yeah, a new aircraft would be nice, if just the *%*#%/# bank would give me a loan! Positive company value, positive cash, positive income, B rating, good CI, 20 mil loan with securities, but god damn 0 with no securities  >:(
The bank of Japan seems to think they are supposed to operate on 0 risk  :P

Oh well, sorry for the slight off topic  ;D

Ilyushin

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2010, 07:55:19 PM »
There are plenty of good Tu-154M's to take. I got to run an Il-62MK very profitable and in the end got 3 more Il-62MK's. They consume more than twice as much fuel as Tu-154M's and carry equal passengers (or nearly). The only thing the Tu-154M lacks is the range. And there's less maintenance costs because the Tu-154 is a Large aircraft and has 3 engines where the Il-62 is a Very large aircraft with 4 engines.

Just consider Russian aircraft. They're not as bad as they look, believe me. Just don't get old ones, they are expensive to maintain.

takasito

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2010, 03:20:56 AM »
There are plenty of good Tu-154M's to take. I got to run an Il-62MK very profitable and in the end got 3 more Il-62MK's. They consume more than twice as much fuel as Tu-154M's and carry equal passengers (or nearly). The only thing the Tu-154M lacks is the range. And there's less maintenance costs because the Tu-154 is a Large aircraft and has 3 engines where the Il-62 is a Very large aircraft with 4 engines.

Just consider Russian aircraft. They're not as bad as they look, believe me. Just don't get old ones, they are expensive to maintain.

Custom fuel price in this game world, I am not quite so sure how Russian aircrafts will be able to cope with any unexpected high fuel price. In my opinion, choosing a Russian AC is a gamble not worth taking it.

ucfknightryan

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2010, 03:31:32 AM »
Custom fuel price in this game world, I am not quite so sure how Russian aircrafts will be able to cope with any unexpected high fuel price. In my opinion, choosing a Russian AC is a gamble not worth taking it.

Eh, it's probably not too big a gamble as long as you get rid of them within a year or two, but keeping them longer than that would be a large roll of the dice...

Offline kcm31

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2010, 11:25:29 AM »
Russian Aircraft aren't too bad, its just badge snobbery by a lot of people,

oh, and costs to maintain them aren't as cheap as they could be...

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2010, 11:37:36 AM »
Russian Aircraft aren't too bad, its just badge snobbery by a lot of people,

oh, and costs to maintain them aren't as cheap as they could be...

You failed to mention that they use almost 2 times as much fuel as their western counterparts.  

The Yak 42 uses 4430 kg/hr versus the E195 using 2030 kg/hr
The IL96 uses 9680 kg/hr versus the B763 using 4880 kg/hr
The TU204-300 uses 4610 kg/hr versus the B738 2600 kg/hr
« Last Edit: October 12, 2010, 11:41:17 AM by swiftus27 »

Offline JMsoo

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2010, 04:20:44 PM »
I decide to wait and point toall brand new fleet of Airbus a320 family, but  must wait long time for delivery I hope it will pay off later on, when all my rivals will have to replace all their 15years old aircraft in a few game years. In previous games I used to buy cheap, old and different type of aircraft but although a quicker expansion I finish to spend all my money in maintenance. So now I prefer to start slowly but have a fleet of brand new planes. ;D 
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DenisG

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2010, 06:00:35 PM »
You failed to mention that they use almost 2 times as much fuel as their western counterparts.  

The Yak 42 uses 4430 kg/hr versus the E195 using 2030 kg/hr
The IL96 uses 9680 kg/hr versus the B763 using 4880 kg/hr
The TU204-300 uses 4610 kg/hr versus the B738 2600 kg/hr



Oh my dear, I see the old Tu-204 discussion coming up again... Hehehe...
Denis

Ilyushin

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2010, 06:18:29 PM »
You failed to mention that they use almost 2 times as much fuel as their western counterparts. 

The Yak 42 uses 4430 kg/hr versus the E195 using 2030 kg/hr
The IL96 uses 9680 kg/hr versus the B763 using 4880 kg/hr
The TU204-300 uses 4610 kg/hr versus the B738 2600 kg/hr


The Tu-204 should be compared to the 757, not the 738!


Oh my dear, I see the old Tu-204 discussion coming up again... Hehehe...
Denis

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ucfknightryan

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2010, 06:21:08 PM »
The Tu-204 should be compared to the 757, not the 738!

Am I doing it right?

lol  :laugh:  yup.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2010, 07:03:13 PM »
The Tu-204 should be compared to the 757, not the 738!


I should have chosen the 739...

The TU 204-120 and Boeing 737-900

Both carry 180 pax
Max range is within 50nm of each other.
Same number of pilots.  The TU has 1 more cabin crew.
3960 kg/hr vs 2570 kg/hr
The 739's turn time is MUCH better (30 minutes at min turn around)

DenisG

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Re: Getting a new aircraft
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2010, 08:50:50 PM »
Hehe, why don't we just create a permanent topic in the forum that compares the Tu-204 to every conceivable aircraft we can think of? Somehow this russian guzzler seems to have an underestimated compassion.
 ;D ;D ;D
Denis


 

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