Correct Closure of A/C
alexgv1:
Quote from: swiftus27 on July 30, 2010, 03:28:29 PM
No no Sami, you're missing something I was saying here.
I KNOW we needed to change the dates so certain players, myself included, wouldnt hover the computer knowing the announcement was coming.
What I am saying is that the DC 10 line needs to stop when the MD 11 starts building (or at least make it so that no new orders can be made).
You CAN'T have a game where the MD80, MD90, and B717 series are all being produces on separate manufacturing lines.
This is all for a semblance of authenticity.
I dont think you should close the line of the old plane as an example, 737 originals were being produced up to 4 years after the classics were released. However I do see the problem and maybe they should share a production line and the old one is phased out once it loses orders in the normal way. However I can foresee problems if the old model has a large backlog.
JumboShrimp:
One thing I was wondering about production lines in general is that some of them are responsive to orders. When more orders are received, production line "accelerates" and more a/c is produced per month. But production lines for 737NG and A320 line are stuck at 24 and 27. Is there a cap for every production line? I am not sure why there should be one...
swiftus27:
Okay, I can SEE that SOME manufacturers in the past kept making a FEW types on the SAME line. This game, you can get a 20+ year old MD 81 still made brand new... You can get an MD 90 new... you can get a B717 NEW. The thing is that they are all made on separate lines.... so there are XXX number of planes being able to be made on EACH line. Meaning, there are 3 lines that essentially produce the same A/C.
I can see the need for some lag time with conversion from the Bclassic to the BNext Gen. So, you build in a few years on the conversion. Make it an announcement that the last day to order the MD81 will be on XXXX date. And make that announcement come out a couple of times. ALSO, add that information to the Airplane screen under Status: Taking Orders until XXXX date.
Sigma:
Quote from: swiftus27 on July 30, 2010, 10:16:18 PM
Okay, I can SEE that SOME manufacturers in the past kept making a FEW types on the SAME line. This game, you can get a 20+ year old MD 81 still made brand new... You can get an MD 90 new... you can get a B717 NEW. The thing is that they are all made on separate lines.... so there are XXX number of planes being able to be made on EACH line. Meaning, there are 3 lines that essentially produce the same A/C.
This one I largely agree with. The only reason an MD-11 ever existed is because the DC-10 didn't sell. It doesn't compute for McDonnell Douglas to start producing their version of a plane while Douglas still exists. And of course that applies to other similar situations.
To simply the explanation -- as long as Douglas still exists, the MD-11 cannot. It simply doesn't make sense.
If/when there ever comes a time in our world where Douglas ceases to exist because all its orders dry up, then we can get an MD-11. Perhaps to make it a bit more likely, you can make it so that only the DC-10, rather than the entire Douglas line, has to be removed from production before the MD-11 can be sold -- we could just consider it a licensed design that MD picked up after the failure thinking they'd have better results selling it than Douglas did theirs.
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I can see the need for some lag time with conversion from the Bclassic to the BNext Gen. So, you build in a few years on the conversion. . Make it an announcement that the last day to order the MD81 will be on XXXX date. And make that announcement come out a couple of times. ALSO, add that information to the Airplane screen under Status: Taking Orders until XXXX date.
This part, as I mentioned up top, I don't agree with nor is it particularly realistic.
The main reason we got the changed production system we got was so that we didn't get popular models getting shut down because it simply made no sense for a model with 500 orders to get cancelled. You yourself just made a thread on this very subject the other day.
If people want to continue ordering Classics even after Boeing's annonced the NG's, then that's their prerogative. And if they're going to order enough to keep the production line going, you can be sure that Boeing's going to continue making them. That's basic supply and demand at work. Only whenever that line gets too low would Boeing ever stop producing them.
Perhaps it would make sense, if possible, to alter the guidelines of a line closure so that, in the case of a successor model being released, instead of having an empty queue in order to end taking orders, there has to be a significant reduction in standing orders. That should cause the line to close earlier in a more realistic fashion as opposed to having to wait for the queue to empty completely then a single order reopening it -- Boeing would never extend the production of Classics just because someone placed an order for 10 of them at the last minute. But if orders kept coming in then they'd keep making them until such a time as they stopped. If their new product isn't compelling enough to justify the wait then so be it -- that's market forces at work. Maybe we'd even get a situation where the successor model actually failed in AWS (not likely, but possible if upfront costs of new model are excessive), something our current production system actually supports. And I don't see any reason at all to change it.
swiftus27:
Sigma, you are also missing one of my most important parts.
There CANT be a seperate line making classics and another making current gen. There should be one line making both. Its not like Boeing had different facilities for both.
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