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Author Topic: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats  (Read 3607 times)

Offline ArcherII

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Re: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2010, 10:19:54 AM »
As long as you aren't taller than, say, 6'4, you'd be ok. Not me by the way since I'm 6'7.

Monk Xion

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Re: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2010, 03:59:49 PM »
The NG family yields no more flexibility than the entire A320 family does, not to mention the longevity of the A320 commonality allows commonality for about 4 decades of possible game-time a massive plus.  The only thing the NG family gets you that the A320 family doesn't is a range over 3000NM, which isn't that big of a plus anyway on narrow-bodies.

The 739ER requires the big MTOW variant to be remotely comparable to the A321 and with that upgrade it costs considerably more, to the tune of about $10M.  And the 739ER requires another cabin crew, increasing your crew costs by 25%.  And it seats about 5% fewer passengers.

Yes, the 739ER is superior in fuel, but considering the added labor and upfront costs and lower ticket revenue, it isn't that much of a difference.  At best, they/re dead-even competitors, the 739ER is definitely not better "9/10 times".  If ever there was something that the 739ER option was better at, it would be the sub-1000NM range that the OP is talking about, as that only requires the base model which saves a great deal of money, even so the difference is minimal at best.

cost. Airbus planes cost more than the Boeing planes. That's why I almost always choose 737s over the A320 family. Cheaper to lease and operate.

Offline Sigma

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Re: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2010, 11:34:50 PM »
cost. Airbus planes cost more than the Boeing planes. That's why I almost always choose 737s over the A320 family. Cheaper to lease and operate.

In some of the earlier variants, yes.  But with the NGs the price difference is virtually identical (in many cases to the dollar identical) and often times actually favors the Airbus model. In the quote you posted I was specifically discussing the 739ER and the A321, in which case, as I mentioned, the Airbus model is actually significantly cheaper to purchase upfront.

Even just an upgraded MTOW 739 to get it even comparable to the range of the A321 will cost you more and still not fly as far as the lowest-ranged base A321.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2010, 11:40:36 PM by Sigma »

ucfknightryan

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Re: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2010, 04:49:35 AM »
In some of the earlier variants, yes.  But with the NGs the price difference is virtually identical (in many cases to the dollar identical) and often times actually favors the Airbus model. In the quote you posted I was specifically discussing the 739ER and the A321, in which case, as I mentioned, the Airbus model is actually significantly cheaper to purchase upfront.

Even just an upgraded MTOW 739 to get it even comparable to the range of the A321 will cost you more and still not fly as far as the lowest-ranged base A321.

While the A321 is slightly cheaper in ATB, the only MTOW upgrade on the 739ER has longer range than all variants of the A321 by at least 330NM.  Maybe you were looking at the regular -900?

Offline Sigma

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Re: A good aircraft for < 1000 nm and 200+ seats
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2010, 06:05:01 AM »
While the A321 is slightly cheaper in ATB, the only MTOW upgrade on the 739ER has longer range than all variants of the A321 by at least 330NM.  Maybe you were looking at the regular -900?

I was.  That's what I said. :)

The point being that even if you went with the cheaper 739 rather than the ER model, and got the MTOW upgrade to get it close to the A321, you'd still end up paying more and not flying as far as the A321.

 

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