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Author Topic: Newly identified STOL aircraft:  (Read 6583 times)

Offline apenfold

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Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« on: July 16, 2010, 02:33:49 PM »
Currently operating out of London City I decided to take a look at the competition, in the process it has become apparent that several new types of aircraft are capable of Short Take Off and Landing!  :P

Boeing 727 (Palma)
Boeing 737 (Algiers, Barcelona)
Boeing 757 (Tehran)
Airbus A320 (Frankfurt, Istanbul, Paris CDG)
McDonnell Douglas MD83 (Copenhagen
Fokker 70 (Paris Orly)
Fokker 100 (Paris Orly, Madrid, Prague)

Offline Runner

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2010, 03:10:59 PM »
These are the aircraft allowed at LCY:

Airbus A318
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
BAe 4100 Jetstream
ATR 42
ATR 72
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild 228
Dornier Fairchild Do328
Dornier Fairchild Do328 Jet
Embraer 135
Embraer E170
Embraer E190
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340
Saab 2000
Shorts 360-300

http://www.lcacc.org/aircraft/index.html

Offline apenfold

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 04:36:30 PM »
Yup, knew all of them  :) Apart from the Fokker 70  :(

Shame there isn't a facility within the game that prohibits them from flying with anything other than those aircraft.

Hey ho, I'm flying the 146 with plans for others from that list, so I'm following the real rules.

filipebravo

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2010, 02:40:58 AM »
What about CRJ, are they allowed IRL??
I fly CRJ (Shannon - LCY) and I would like to know whether I'm following the real rules or not. Anyone?  8) ::)

Offline apenfold

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2010, 11:02:31 AM »
I dont think you are I'm afraid. I've never seen one at EGLC and although the private jet version is permitted I think that the CRJ just cant make it in. A bit like with the Embraer 145 series, the 135 is allowed in but the remainder are not. Quite apart from everything else, how the hell are you profitable using those CRJ100s? In my experience they have always been bankrupt machines!

filipebravo

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2010, 02:57:54 PM »
If you don't own them, then yes, they are not very profitable. I do not own mine so it means I have to fly them night and day, at least 3 routes a day on adequate routes (>50pax/day) to cope with the leasing costs, but I've got other means of profitability anyway.  ;D I'm planning to replace my leased CRJ-100 with own CRJ-200, then I think they might be easier. By the time this CRJ-100 is released you do not have an alternative to it with the same characteristics.

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2010, 05:12:50 AM »
What about CRJ, are they allowed IRL??
I fly CRJ (Shannon - LCY) and I would like to know whether I'm following the real rules or not. Anyone?  8) ::)

CRJ's are dogs IRL.  The 700 is the most powerful out of the lot...

The scariest takeoff I've been in was in a fully loaded CRJ-200 taking off on a 6,300 ft runway.... there wasn't much pavement left when we rotated.. (Rwy 14 @ KGSO)

Offline MidlandDeltic

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2010, 09:17:16 PM »
Current passed aircraft for scheduled flights into LCY is :

    

Airbus A318
BAe 146/Avro RJ family
BAe 4100 Jetstream
ATR 42
ATR 72
DHC Dash 7
Bombardier Q Series/DHC Dash 8
Dornier Fairchild 228
Dornier Fairchild Do328
   

Dornier Fairchild Do328 Jet
Embraer 135
Embraer E170
Embraer E190
Fokker 50
Fokker 70
Saab 340
Saab 2000
Shorts 360-300


Info gleaned form : http://www.lcacc.org/aircraft/index.html

I agree it would be great if AWS replicated real life in this respect, although I appreciate the coding issues invloved; in another sim, I was frustrated by competitors flying 767s off a 500m runway.... :)

MD

highlander1715

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2010, 01:55:45 AM »
I found another one - an airline is flying 747-400s into Aberdeen's Dyce airport an aircraft that supposedly needs 2900M runways into an 1829M runway and he is doing it with 434 pax on board.  I guess he was able to equip it with drag shutes for landing and JATO rockets for takeoff.

Offline Sami

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2010, 02:00:11 AM »
...an aircraft that supposedly needs 2900M runways..

2900m with full takeoff weight. If you fly a shorter distance the takeoff distance is also shorter since there's a lot less fuel onboard (resulting in lower takeoff weight)


(been onboard with an A340 that took off from intersection with about 1500m of runway available)

highlander1715

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2010, 06:37:51 PM »
http://www.airliners.net/photo//0210342/&sid=73321ddd0400f2ef484cdb8c0d41d953

Heres a link to an aerial photo of the apron at Dyce's only small terminal - now explain where exactly you are going to park and unload a 747?

highlander1715

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2010, 06:42:05 PM »
Oh and here's a view of the whole airport - not exactly very 747 friendly twice a day eh?

http://www.airliners.net/photo//0285939/&sid=73321ddd0400f2ef484cdb8c0d41d953

Online type45

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2010, 08:58:12 PM »
ramp size and capacity is still not considered in AWS I think ;)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2010, 09:21:06 PM »
You'd say the same thing about KCLE but there's a 747 there right now.

Those Arab sheiks LOVE the Cleveland Clinic.

highlander1715

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2010, 10:01:40 PM »
Yeah but Cleveland has three runways all longer than Dyce's and the two longer ones of 2743M and the other one of 3034M (and that one is more than 3 times the width of Aberdeen's single runway as well).  And I bet 432 people didn't get off that Sheik's 747 and try and process through the concourse which has jetways unlike Aberdeen which does not even have a flight of mobile steps high enough to reach the door of a 747!

highlander1715

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2010, 10:22:19 PM »
One mistake I guess if the steps can reach the door sill height of a 757 (regularly flown by BA into Aberdeen) then they can cope with a 747 if it could navigate the taxiway S-curve to the terminal building.

Monk Xion

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2010, 02:08:18 AM »
Currently operating out of London City I decided to take a look at the competition, in the process it has become apparent that several new types of aircraft are capable of Short Take Off and Landing!  :P

Boeing 727 (Palma)
Boeing 737 (Algiers, Barcelona)
Boeing 757 (Tehran)
Airbus A320 (Frankfurt, Istanbul, Paris CDG)
McDonnell Douglas MD83 (Copenhagen
Fokker 70 (Paris Orly)
Fokker 100 (Paris Orly, Madrid, Prague)

Hahah reminds me of when I was flying out of LCY in one game.... a compeditor had a 757 on 3 of my routes lol

netforce

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2010, 06:44:00 PM »
http://www.airliners.net/photo//0210342/&sid=73321ddd0400f2ef484cdb8c0d41d953

Heres a link to an aerial photo of the apron at Dyce's only small terminal - now explain where exactly you are going to park and unload a 747?

In the middle of the taxiway / entry to apron of course... blocking the rest of the apron though so planning would be quite hard, and landing fees would be over the roof!

You might have to slide a few of your wheels in the snow to get there as well, but it should be possible in the theory, though not viable at all.

 ;D

Offline Sami

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2010, 12:46:09 PM »
Well take a look at aerial photos of Oulu EFOU or Kittilä EFKT for example and tell me how an A330 or A340 fits there then.. ;)

Offline RibeiroR

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Re: Newly identified STOL aircraft:
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2010, 07:23:49 PM »
well, this week I was here looking at competitors, and to my surprise, in the largest passenger route in the world SBSP-SBRJ, the airbrige that moves more than 10 000 passengers at day, a B762ER flied from with no cargo or pax limits  :P

1 320m in SBRJ, if a B762ER needs the 2150m with a maximum capacity ???
worth remembering that not long ago that a A320 crashed on the runway because he could not stop

 

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