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Author Topic: Tu-114 on longhaul  (Read 2913 times)

Offline Kazari

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Tu-114 on longhaul
« on: July 06, 2010, 06:07:14 PM »
I'm having a lot of trouble with my FAJS-EGLL flight. I am running it on Tu-114s and have about 20 percent RI at this point.

Most of the seating is C and F premium, with a handful in Y. The demand on that route is very good for that sort of seat.

I'm getting almost no demand despite the route being very underserved (I'm supplying like 50 of 1000 demand). I've even cut prices 50 percent off suggested and seen VERY little response. I can wait this out, but this route behavior is unlike what I have seen after playing this game for a long time.

Kontio

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2010, 06:11:59 PM »
Quote from: v1.2. changelog
Adjustments to pax distribution system ... you cannot now just start a company and pack a plane full of C/F seats and get a full or half-full plane (a known starting technique).

Offline psw231

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2010, 06:13:19 PM »
  Remember that CI now has a greater influence on C and F load factors that it did in 1.1.

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2010, 07:45:01 PM »
I have a 61 CI.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2010, 07:46:29 PM »
what time does the plane land and take off (local time)

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2010, 07:52:19 PM »
I have now increased marketing to the next notch.

http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Routes/Planning/X/FAJS/EGLL/

1-3-5--      KAZ013      0700      1900      T114      Kaz Air JA     
-2-4--7    KAZ015    0700    1900    T114    Kaz Air JA    
-----6-    KAZ019    2000    0800*    T114    Kaz Air JA    
----5--    KAZ017    2040    0840*    T114    Kaz Air JA    


GDK

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2010, 09:43:51 PM »
 Remember that CI now has a greater influence on C and F load factors that it did in 1.1.

Will the effect of CI so huge on C class LF if I only fly domestic routes?

altmants

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2010, 10:23:49 PM »
I have learned this from Air Travel Boom game........

Fly to a destination about 2800-3500nm in range daily(7 times weekly). You will notice your load factors sky rocket up. Anything over 4000, your load factors will drop EARLY in the game.  You need much higher CI to do super long haul flights in standard economy seats.

GDK

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2010, 10:40:48 PM »
I have learned this from Air Travel Boom game........

Fly to a destination about 2800-3500nm in range daily(7 times weekly). You will notice your load factors sky rocket up. Anything over 4000, your load factors will drop EARLY in the game.  You need much higher CI to do super long haul flights in standard economy seats.

That's right. 8)

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2010, 11:29:15 PM »
But they're all premium seats. That's why I'm so puzzled. Do they have to be luxury seats!?

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2010, 11:30:00 PM »
Long-haul is the only real profit maker in South Africa.

GDK

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 02:26:59 AM »
Low CI & RI = Less people knowing your airline is flying that route.
Seeing you got plenty of demand, nice take-off and landing time, you need high CI and RI.

juanchopancho

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 05:31:04 AM »
F & C class require higher RI and CI to get good LF

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 07:42:11 AM »
Long-haul is the only real profit maker in South Africa.

I found that. Till I bankrupted at great speed!!  :P

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 02:17:00 PM »
I am well on my way to that reality!

I have altered prices again. This C drought is really hurting me, though.

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2010, 12:30:55 PM »
I'm sorry, but I just have to say that this does not make sense to me.

C seats are empty on my now 3 flights a day to EGLL, all of which occur in prime time. I have 69 CI and 81 RI on this route and all the C seats are premium. The price on those C seats is now 1/5 of suggested.

Y is at 100% (because there's only a handful)
F is at 90% (because I lowered the price by half)

But C should not be at 0.

GDK

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2010, 05:28:34 PM »
Y is at 100% (because there's only a handful)
F is at 90% (because I lowered the price by half)

But C should not be at 0.

What you mean by 'there's only a handful' for Y. You are saying the seats or the demand? ???

If you got F passenger on the plane, it is really no reason why you don't have C passenger... Maybe the route have only demand for Y and F :P

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 08:34:53 PM »
I mean I only have 4 Y seats.  :-[

It has huge demand for C -- 150 to 170 a day. 25-30 for F. 800-900 for Y.

I can only get the F passenger on by lowering prices by half. C passengers are avoiding me like the plague, though.

Offline Kazari

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 08:36:25 PM »
Either I just passed a magical threshold or Sami changed something. Suddenly I have C demand!

GDK

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Re: Tu-114 on longhaul
« Reply #19 on: July 09, 2010, 03:57:39 AM »
Wow... You got only 4 Y seat, which means you are almost flying fully C or fully F flight. That does not break the rules that don't allow fully C or full F flight. ;D

Congratulation for getting C passengers. :laugh:

 

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