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Author Topic: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)  (Read 4878 times)

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2010, 03:26:58 PM »
I'm going for a regional airline of sorts in this game and I chose to start with the ERJ-170 as it allows for quite a large number of various size and ranged aircraft in future under the Embraer 170/175/190/195 range, all of which come under only the one commonality type.

It's a great aircraft... you shouldn't have problems with that, it even flies faster than the 737s and A320s. That allowed me to get in an extra sector per day when changing fleets.
CEO of South Where Airlines (SWA|WH)

altmants

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2010, 01:41:04 AM »
what do you all think of the 717 for regional airlines or start ups? They have so many on the used market.

flydreamer

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2010, 04:23:50 AM »
it depends on which country you're based and which routes you're flying. i operate a successful regional airline in ATB and i'm based in China. i operate a full props fleet which consists of Saab 2000 and Q400.

but previously, i tried to base in USA and using ERJ. i failed twice. so, it's kinda make me nervous to put jet in my fleet. if you're planning to operate a full regional airline, i think it's the best to use props instead of jets. just my two cents.

munipandita

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2010, 08:31:15 PM »
Hello!

Well.. the ERJ are very good aircrafts!

But you must know how to use them.. Don't use them on routes longer than 400nm.. They must fly like 4 daily flights.. at least.

The 717 is a very expensive aircraft and carries very few PAX!!

Offline NorgeFly

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 10:20:22 PM »
I run a regional airline in ATB using 40x Q400 and 80x E195's and it works well. I'd chose the Q400 over the E170 any day though, even though there would be a commonality benefit with the E195. It is cheaper, burns far less fuel and suits the short 150-400nm sectors brilliantly. The E170 will do the same job but it will cost a lot more to operate, especially when fuel prices rise.

DenisG

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2010, 10:54:07 AM »
Yep, since Saab2000 is so fast, you are able to outfly most other props in similar seat sizes, by adding routes. A plane makes not money when it is in the air, but when it takes off! Smaller than most regional jets, it draws pax due to preference of smaller a/c as well. Compared to the DHC-8-400Q, the Saab was available some 10 years earlier. You can build an entire airlines only based on Saab flying almost all routes in central Europe (e.g. Paris).

Denis

damar_cahsolo

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2010, 12:12:53 AM »
Hi people.

I know everyone says it, about the fleet commonality.. But i really got shocked with this:

I had a fleet of 16 Saab2000, 5 EMB-120 and 2 ERJ-170 (3 more on the way)

Then i decided to get rid of my EMB-120...

I looked the Fleet commonality before geting rid of them, and i got this:

Embraer 170/175/190/195
Number of aircraft in fleet    2
Total    570 918 USD

Embraer EMB-120
Number of aircraft in fleet    5
Total    449 763 USD

Saab 2000
Number of aircraft in fleet    16
Total    1 021 530 USD

then, AFTER i get rid of my loved EMB-120 (i really like flying them on real life)

Embraer 170/175/190/195
Number of aircraft in fleet    2
Total    309 822 USD

Saab 2000
Number of aircraft in fleet    16
Total    549 627 USD

Almost 50% of both costs!!!

So those who are trying to make a regional airline work, don't use more than 2 fleet types!!! only 1 would be the perfect situation, but unfortunatelly it's difficult to find one family that feets in various seats categories, not like the Saab 2000... There is the ERJ-145, but i think it's more expensive than the S2000, and also is from another family of A/C.. so doesn't matter

I'm having similar problems with this. Used to operate only domestic routes with a couple of short regional routes to China and South Korea. The backbone of my fleets are made of B717-200 (operates 28 of those) and 4 A320-200 for longer routes. It was so profitable, especially the B717-200 since I operate in big number, my average maint. expense per plane (not including engines) was only around $ 70K.

Then I made a really stupid mistake. Tempted by the high pax on the LAX route, I decided to try long distance route. As a start, I brought 2 A330-300. Now, suddenly, the avg. maint. expense for my B717-200 jumps to $ 133K. Not sure on how the A330 could have impacted the B717 though.... this means that my maintenance fee cost almost double than before and my income is really slowing down now.....

So yes, I agree with you on this one. If possible, just stick to one or two types of planes.

Offline Maarten Otto

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Re: Fleet Commonality!! (Just an advise!)
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2010, 02:08:58 PM »
240 tubes in the air and just recently added a 6th type. From 3 to 4 and 4 to 5 types the maintenance expanses  sky rocket, but for the 5th to the 6th they don't.

 

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