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Author Topic: Long Haul <-> Little demand  (Read 2630 times)

THI

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Long Haul <-> Little demand
« on: June 12, 2010, 12:08:43 PM »
Hi guys,

i have a question.
in reality airlines are serving f.e. routes 1 x week.
the demand from mo-su is going to that flight. because of this f.e. a lot of african airports are empty in that game because it is not possible to finance an 80pax/daily demand on a f.e. 773 (demand is not added to a weekly flight)

so: what about routes with 180-190 pax/daily and 4500 nm ?
in other airlines i have had i used the 762ER.
But now there a long delievery times.

on the used market there from time to time a310....
what about this a/c ?

and does anybody knows if an 772 can survive with 60% LF on a 4000nm route ?

would be great if someone could give me an advice :-\

thanks a lot,


thomas


Offline JonesyUK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2010, 01:02:30 PM »
A340/330 would be better than 777 on the thiner routes I think  :)

THI

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 01:49:56 PM »
so.
a330/340 -> 60% LF -> 4000 nm

is it profitable ?

GDK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2010, 04:13:27 PM »
Reconfigure the plane to all premium seat. Premium first class, premium business and premium economy.
By that, your seat available will be somewhere around 200. When your RI goes green, set the price higher.
This also can increase the range of the plane.

Offline [ATA] - lilius

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2010, 05:13:25 PM »
Putting any A330-340 in a route with a low demand as 180 is suicide. Doing it with a 777-200 is even worse. Im pretty sure both those types will be harder to get than 767!

The A310 is also a tricky aircraft to fly even if you fill out the seats.

I would only suggest to run routes like that as a complement to having a nice and steady fleet of 20 WB or more at good LF.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2010, 05:16:02 PM by lilius »

Offline Seattle

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2010, 07:29:49 PM »
Some people will break it up and fly a 737-800/other series making a stop at 2000 nm or 3000 nm, before continueing on to the destination. I don't know how profitable those are, but I can imagine they do make a good amount of money, since the fairs would be so high.
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L1011fan

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2010, 06:02:48 PM »
Some people will break it up and fly a 737-800/other series making a stop at 2000 nm or 3000 nm, before continueing on to the destination. I don't know how profitable those are, but I can imagine they do make a good amount of money, since the fairs would be so high.
Unfortunately, you can't do that in the new v1.2. Its all hub and spoke, baby! Unless you have enough aircraft to start a 2nd hub that might work for you. :P

coopdogyo

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2010, 09:24:52 PM »
You can still have tech stops in version 1.2

THI

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2010, 09:59:51 PM »
i was remembering something.
the only "real" international long haul flight from stuttgart (30km near my hometown) is to i think atlanta. it is made by DELTA and they use a 76X.
Also El Al in TLV is using for a lot of Long Haul flights a 76X.

In my opinion this a/c is made for mid demand / long haul.
The question is now, what happens, when i put a 762 f.e. on a 160 pax route.

we will see it  ;D

if i do not get bancrupt. by opening the second base, my personnel costs grew 7 mio  :'(
it will be hard. and my fleet comm of 7 mio / 160 a/c will grow to 11 mio i think for 170 a/c  >:(
but i put away my old 732 and then i have my old fleet comm back  :laugh:

i hope i make all things right this time.....


GDK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 02:39:01 AM »

The question is now, what happens, when i put a 762 f.e. on a 160 pax route.



You won't go bankrupt. You'll just not be able to cover the cost of that route including the staffing and C-check expenses.

THI

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 06:51:21 PM »
160 pax is working well (y)
i also have there ~10 c

it is working....

Offline [ATA] - lilius

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 07:44:17 PM »
You never wrote which you picked  :laugh:
777, 767 or 333?


Did the 4 months of lease pre-payment finish so you can be sure?

GDK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 12:56:08 AM »

Did the 4 months of lease pre-payment finish so you can be sure?


And dos the total income is sufficient to cover the C-Check?

THI

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 11:59:13 AM »
762/763

of course the c checks are not calculated and if i do, it would be a 0 or little minus.
so or so. i buy them ~10 yrs old and will change them every year.

normally the price on such non stop routes is 30% more expensive.

there is a lot of work for sami to manage this problems, and that is not the only one.
on a short haul a -20% price will ALWAYS beat the y-class pax.... in this game not.
airlines like ryan air or easy jet (f.e.) would not survive in this game.

i think this would be the next step to optimize this game.
but it makes fun.

i am putting away now the 732's....
fleet comm in my airline is, i am nearly sure, one of the best in this game.

and then, if the 732's are away i take the 73NG, then i have all boeings for my
segment......


what do you think about my fleet politics... ?
http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2258


juanchopancho

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 01:49:26 PM »
what do you think about my fleet politics... ?
http://www.airwaysim.com/game/Info/Others/Airline2258

Not as good as mine, only 2 types in my fleet. :)

THI

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 02:35:39 PM »
of course you have a nice fleet.
i always look on your airline  8)

do not forget the market situation. in my opinion it is also possible to make it with 2
in dallas. but: not at the moment.

at the end of the game (if i survive) i think i will change my 717 and 73C to 73NG and i will
use the 767 for long haul.......

2 (!!!!) is really perfect, you are right  ::)

GDK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 04:51:30 PM »

2 (!!!!) is really perfect, you are right  ::)

In USA and EU it is always possible (good) with a fleet of 2 or 3 aircraft for short, medium and long haul. But in Asia and Africa, usually we need more fleet type for different type of routes.

Offline Seattle

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2010, 12:52:38 AM »
In USA and EU it is always possible (good) with a fleet of 2 or 3 aircraft for short, medium and long haul. But in Asia and Africa, usually we need more fleet type for different type of routes.
Not really. I am based in ALG... and while I have 5 right now, it will be reduced to three, with the arrival of my 737-600s to replace all of my Dc-9s/732s.

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GDK

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2010, 08:51:43 AM »
Not really. I am based in ALG... and while I have 5 right now, it will be reduced to three, with the arrival of my 737-600s to replace all of my Dc-9s/732s.



But you won't fly your 737 on routes less than 100 pax demand, right? You need something such as Fokker for that kind of routes.

Offline Seattle

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Re: Long Haul <-> Little demand
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2010, 04:11:53 PM »
But you won't fly your 737 on routes less than 100 pax demand, right? You need something such as Fokker for that kind of routes.
I'll fly a 736 on a route with 70-100 demand.... It works fine because those route are typically far away, so ticket prices are high. Similarly, if its close, I just fill up the schedule. Eliminates the need for a Fokker/E-Jet.
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