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Author Topic: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER  (Read 1662 times)

Offline ehcydotcom

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Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« on: June 10, 2010, 02:57:04 PM »
Hey fellow AWS member i have some doubt whether to order B777-200ER but i have A340-200 pending order but the B777 is much more expensive and same payload same range too.

Any idea? will B777-200ER more profitable?

Offline mtnlion

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 06:30:58 PM »
It depends on so many things. B772ER has slightly bigger max capacity Y440 vs. A342 Y420.

Are you planning to lease or buy? How about the rest of your fleet (do you operate/are you planning to operate B777s or A330/A340s in the future)? How about engine variants? (B772ER has more to choose from= could be better commonality)

MattDell

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2010, 12:42:24 AM »
Plus 777 has half the engines. ;-)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2010, 01:54:20 AM »
Plus 777 has half the engines. ;-)

the fuel consumption is the same.  Yes, you pay more for having the more engines, but the cost differences are not radically different.

Talentz

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 02:04:35 AM »
Hmm..


A342 is cheaper, moves slightly less pax. If you have alot of thinner routes, the A342 is very strong.

77E is more expensive, moves slightly more pax. If you have fatter routes, the 77E is better.


I think the A342 has a better cost per pax ratio. It really depends on your avg demand per route.

A full 77E will make more money then a full A342. But a half full 77E will lose more money then a half full A342.


Strictly speaking, I think the A342 is better suited for the most of the worlds VLH routes over the 77E.

But choosing the 77E means you get one of the best aircraft in the game, the 773. If you have routes for that, then the 77E becomes the better choice   :)


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Offline type45

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2010, 04:21:23 AM »
I choose A342 because I'll use a lot of A333, but last time I choose 77E as I use a lot of 772

btw I think I'll use 773 to replace my 744, unless demand will look really bad in Kansai ;) A346 is still a bit too small if those route demand do not drop a lot

Offline psw231

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2010, 04:50:09 AM »
  If you are going to use the 773 to replace the 744 you should uase the 77E and use no Airbus ac, keep fleet types to a minimum and see bigger profits overall.

Offline Sigma

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2010, 06:17:22 AM »
  If you are going to use the 773 to replace the 744 you should uase the 77E and use no Airbus ac, keep fleet types to a minimum and see bigger profits overall.

He's an international carrier where margins are so flippin' high that fleet types mean almost absolutely nothing at all.  He's already flying 6 types and adding a couple more.  No reason to worry about consolidating one of those down to just the 777.

Not to mention the fact that if you use 773s to replace the 744, and 77Es to replace the Airbuses, you get your planes half as fast because all your orders are consolidated to a single line, forcing you to take only about 12 deliveries a year.  But if you split it over 2 models, you can get 24 deliveries a year, netting you twice as much income, and way offsetting any fleet type penalty on the basis of the additional income you earn.

GDK

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2010, 02:17:38 AM »
For me I'll say it is dependent on how I configure the aircraft to match my route. I always reconfigure all seats to premium type and adjust the amount of seat to vary the range. For most of my routes, 340 is superior.

Offline type45

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2010, 02:10:37 PM »
Looks like somebodies are talking about my fleet? ;)

I would like to say international flight is not the most profitable route :P Domestic service earn more, much more. But at lease all of my planes can break even. When my groups can get more than 15 planes each, the cost of having 2 group seems to be more-or-less the same compare with only 1 group.

Choosing A330/340 not B777 is a result of a careful planning......I've checked the demand even when I'm still in TMT1, and I've also asked my friend who base in RJBB at that time. The result show me that I'll need a kind of middle-size planes to fill it, and the config system in AWS make 763 too small to do this. After considering the effectiveness of 772/77E and 333/343, Airbus seems to be better for me. the demand will grow when time moves on. If the demand is good at new airport,  I can use 2 planes(1*333+1*763/2*333) at those routes first and replace with 773 later; if the demand is bad I can use only 1 333 and change to 346 at suitable time. 772/77E is too big to do that, also too costly and too late delivery time. DC-10/MD-11 will fill the place if they are not available yet. 744 is only an option for my plan, if the game world start earlier than 1990 and the demand at RJOO is big enough. That's what happened in TMT2 so I use 744 and replace it depends on demands in RJBB.

Offline Tiberius

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2010, 08:44:18 PM »
I chose the 777's because they will directly replace my DC-10's.  I make nice profits off those DC-10's, even when the route only fills 120 economy seats.  I have routes that fill 115 economy, 10 business, and 2-4 first and I make nice profits.  Those DC-10's are configured to seat about 300!  The 777, when compared with the DC-10, requires 1 less pilot, 1 more cabin crew, 1 less engine, and the engines on the -200 are more efficient and fly slightly longer - for almost exactly the same size aircraft (slightly larger, so I have premium business and first seats).  The -200er model I selected has the cheap engines which burn roughly the same as my DC-10, but I'm not sure if the fuel usage is calculated per engine or is averaged for the aircraft so that may mean the 777 is cheaper there too.  I've had good success with 777's before but have never used the Airbus for one reason or another.

Offline Pai

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2010, 07:41:22 AM »
340 share the same production line with 330, therefore you normally wait a bit more to get the plane, mean time 777 starts operating already usually will offset any financial disadvantages.
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Offline type45

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2010, 04:17:45 PM »
the game started at 80s, it's still a bit too late for 777, unless you have not order any A330/340

I think A333 is the best middle-size plane in AWS and B773 is the best for larger size, so a mix of both fleet group maybe a necessary evil? :P

GDK

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Re: Comparison of profitabilities of A340-200 & B777-200ER
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2010, 04:23:07 AM »

I think A333 is the best middle-size plane in AWS and B773 is the best for larger size, so a mix of both fleet group maybe a necessary evil? :P

Best ever answer. :laugh:

 

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