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Author Topic: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.  (Read 1624 times)

deafpilot

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Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« on: May 09, 2010, 03:30:31 PM »
I have a good profit going, and I am getting ready to get a set of new aircraft. This is what I am looking at and trying to decide:

A319/320
737-600/700/800

I am having a hard time deciding what would be the best choice for me. I am based out of Denver and am only doing domestic routes, so range is not a factor. However, they all seem to balance each other out in terms of cost, passenger load, fuel burn, etc. What do you guys think would be the optimum choice?

For example: the A320 and the 737-800 are very closely matched, but both are somewhat on the expensive side. They carry a somewhat larger number of pax compared to my B732A's though.

On the other end, the A319 and the 737-700 are somewhat closely matched, although the A319 is cheaper to operate. They carry the same pax as my B732A's, but cost significantly more in leases.

I like the 737-600 as it would be a direct replacement of my 732A's, but why spend all this money and not get something bigger/better?

My wheels are really spinning on this... there are a lot of pros and cons for either way... can y'all help me out with your input??

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2010, 03:47:18 PM »
both planes are almost the same.  there really isnt a major advantage between the two

Also keep in mind what other planes you will get.  Most people like to stick with an AB or BO fleet.   Plus, it is cheaper to go with one Manufacturer when you consider commonality costs.  


Some things to consider:
1.  Demand only grows (except around 9/11/01).  You will want to have a little more room on your planes than the current demand.
2.  What other planes are you planning on getting?  Going with 747s or A330/A340?
3.  Prices go up as people order the planes.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2010, 03:52:46 PM by swiftus27 »

deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2010, 03:51:50 PM »
Well... being that Airbus has a larger acquisition cost and lease payment, but costs less to operate, and Boeing is the opposite... which would be better in the long run (3-5 years)? The Airbus?

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2010, 04:09:52 PM »
If you choose MD-80/90 series, you'll probably get the planes much faster and cheaper. But pay more in fuel then.

deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2010, 08:19:11 PM »
Sami, I had given the MD-90-30 strong consideration, but the fuel burn turned me off... I'm not sure if that would hurt me or not matter. What would you do in this case?

Offline Sigma

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2010, 08:29:12 PM »
The fuel burn isn't that bad (and I doubt, in this "easy" game that the fuel price would ever get so high to make up the added lease costs you get on the Boeings), but coupled with fewer seats and it starts to become a bigger deal, at least when compared to the -800.  Compared to the -700, I'd say the MD90 is the better plane if your routes will fill up the added seats.

I think a lot would depend on how soon I could get them really.  It may be worth spending more money if you can get an extra year or two of income out of them.  Whatever income they'll generate in that time could offset the added operating costs by a very large margin depending on just how long the wait is for each.
« Last Edit: May 09, 2010, 08:34:06 PM by Sigma »

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2010, 10:09:50 PM »
Plus, it is cheaper to go with one Manufacturer when you consider commonality costs.  

2.  What other planes are you planning on getting?  Going with 747s or A330/A340?

There is no manufacturer commonality in this game, so you can run for example A320 and B777 without problems...

Offline Unbornio

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 01:19:32 PM »
Well, I see you're based in Denver. 757s are simply, excellent for you. Use 737s after you lease 20+ 757s. Don't bother with 747s as you can always set *almost unlimited* amounts of flights (using 757/737) on the same route.

Then maybe, you might want to go long-haul with 767s. 777s won't do because long-haul demand for DEN is very.. low. 
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deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 03:38:07 PM »
I briefly looked at the 757, but the much-higher fuel burn was a big turn-off.

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 03:55:12 PM »
I choose MD-90 because of the really long waiting time for Airbus and Boeing. And i personally think that there is nothing to argue about if you actually care of expanding your fleet rather quick. I might start order Airbus or Boeing later, but that is when i know that my fleet is enought for now. While you're expanding quick, MD-90 is the deal. The fuel isn't that bad.

And they look good.  :P

deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 04:10:24 PM »
Yeah I think I will be going with MD-90's as well. Just waiting for enough money to be saved up to order 4 of them.

Offline Unbornio

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 04:38:25 PM »
The fuel consumption isn't that bad. I'm referring to the -300s by the way. The -200s can't compete with even the 767s.   :'(

You make a ton with them (700k++ on the right routes). Much more than you could ever make with a 737. I personally tried 70 of them at JFK and in another round, 20 of them at DFW.

If you're still not convinced, I'd go with the MD-80s over MD-90s, MUCH cheaper and the fuel consumption are not much different. (You end up making more money leasing more -80s than leasing a few a-bit-more-efficient -90s).
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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2010, 05:13:33 PM »
The fuel consumption isn't that bad. I'm referring to the -300s by the way. The -200s can't compete with even the 767s.   :'(

You make a ton with them (700k++ on the right routes). Much more than you could ever make with a 737. I personally tried 70 of them at JFK and in another round, 20 of them at DFW.

If you're still not convinced, I'd go with the MD-80s over MD-90s, MUCH cheaper and the fuel consumption are not much different. (You end up making more money leasing more -80s than leasing a few a-bit-more-efficient -90s).

I suppose used MD-80s might be a lot cheaper, but new ones aren't that much cheaper.  MD-88 is only 1.5mil cheaper then MD-90-30, consumes approx. 23% more fuel, and has approx 37% higher maintenance costs.  MD-81/82/83s are quite a bit cheaper (between 5 -8mil), but have approx. 27-32% higher fuel consumption than MD-90-30.  If fuel spikes, that difference can kill you quick. 

altmants

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2010, 09:18:16 PM »
why not A321-200?

ucfknightryan

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2010, 09:35:18 PM »
why not A321-200?

I'd guess because he'd have to wait till mid 2001 to see the first plane.

Offline Frogiton

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2010, 11:19:41 PM »
I'm based in Denver too. I think some good Yaks will do the trick.  :P
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Offline Unbornio

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 08:28:40 AM »
The two-engine Yaks are.. alright but once C-check comes, you have to dump it lol. The three-engined ones.. don't even think about it.  :P
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deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2010, 03:16:02 PM »
Sorry but Russians were never part of the consideration... way too expensive to operate.

I am not getting the A32 or the B739 because like nightryan said, I'd have to wait too long for them.

I am going to order 4 MD-90's today to replace my 4 B732A's.

deafpilot

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Re: Getting ready to get new planes... need advice.
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2010, 03:26:24 PM »
4 new MD-90's on the way! Woohoo!

 

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