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Author Topic: It's C-Check Season!  (Read 2149 times)

DenisG

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It's C-Check Season!
« on: April 26, 2010, 01:17:04 AM »
Welcome everybody to the first allmighty C-check season. I am really looking forward to seeing which effect this will now have on the various growth strategies we have witnessed so far in the scenario. My guess is that we will see an interesting number of airlines sliding into cash flow difficulties.

Denis

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2010, 01:24:00 AM »
Hmm, I'm gonna have a rocky few (real) days.

3 727s all needing C Checks within 6 days of each other...  >:(

ICEcoldair881

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2010, 01:35:22 AM »
my stupid Yak 40 cost me $550k for the C-Check........i'm that much in the hole now. ;D

jneil121

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2010, 02:07:35 AM »
hehe, Im glad mine have all had their C Checks.

ucfknightryan

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2010, 03:29:13 AM »
Hmm, 600k to c-check a YS-11.  Fun.  I suppose that's why I plan on replacing the things in a year or two...

ksliu9

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2010, 05:42:10 AM »
Hmm, 600k to c-check a YS-11.  Fun.  I suppose that's why I plan on replacing the things in a year or two...

I'm also using a single type aircraft.....  YS-11 !!! I have 9 YS-11, while almost half of them need C-check during these two months! Each costs at least 550k !!!

I also plan to replace all of them in the coming two years, though the performance of YS-11 is excellent. Good loading (64 pax), good range (900nm), and acceptable fuel consumption (840). But.... when it comes to C-check...  it costs too much!

Actually it's difficult to find a similar performance aircraft to replace YS-11 during 1980s. The nearest, maybe F50, but it takes less pax.

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2010, 08:42:15 AM »
Thank the Lord for tax returns.

I suspect the $1.8m return after $3m if C Checks saved my airline.  :o

Offline Pai

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2010, 11:30:37 AM »
In this case if you have over 20 planes, as not all planes are going to C checks in one month, you will be better off compare to a small fleet.

Pai
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ucfknightryan

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2010, 03:39:03 PM »
Actually it's difficult to find a similar performance aircraft to replace YS-11 during 1980s. The nearest, maybe F50, but it takes less pax.

My pick, (which I'll probably order soon) is the ATR72.  Bigger capacity (or better seating, take your pick), same turn time, higher speed, similar fuel consumption.

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2010, 04:35:47 PM »
Fokker50 has up to 1010nm, but if 700nm are enough, ATR72 is the better choice.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2010, 04:39:12 PM »
... and if you can wait, the Dash 8 300 & 400 are about the best TPs in the game.

ksliu9

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2010, 04:56:52 PM »
... and if you can wait, the Dash 8 300 & 400 are about the best TPs in the game.

I've used the Dash Q400 in the last game world. They are REALLY FANTASTIC!!!!! ;D  In the last game world, I can have a profit about 350k per weak for a single Q400!!! But.....  in this game world, need to wait wait wait..... for many years to have Q400.....  :-[

Offline swiftus27

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2010, 05:01:45 PM »
I've used the Dash Q400 in the last game world. They are REALLY FANTASTIC!!!!! ;D  In the last game world, I can have a profit about 350k per weak for a single Q400!!! But.....  in this game world, need to wait wait wait..... for many years to have Q400.....  :-[

order the 300.  Im the launch customer and ordered 17 of them.  They are the same speed but DIFFERENT fleet groups because the Q400 is a Bombardier plane vs De Haviliand.

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2010, 05:25:18 PM »
I'm sorry to correct you, but they have different speed:

DHC-8-300B

Size class      Medium aircraft
Cruise speed    275 kts TAS
Runway requirement (MTOW)    1 060 m (Basic weight variant)
Turn-around time    25 mins
Crew    Pilots: 2, Cabin crew: 2
Seating configuration
(Factory default config)    Y: 53, C: 0, F: 0

2x Pratt & Whitney Canada PW123B
18 642 kg (Standard)    5 091 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    610 NM    530 kg / hr    13 470 600 USD
Lease: 170 510 USD / month
18 997 kg (+0.3 tn MTOW)    5 670 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    790 NM    540 kg / hr    14 161 400 USD
Lease: 179 250 USD / month
19 505 kg (+0.9 tn MTOW)    6 124 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    970 NM    560 kg / hr    14 679 500 USD
Lease: 185 810 USD / month


Dash 8-Q400

Size class      Medium aircraft
Cruise speed    350 kts TAS
Runway requirement (MTOW)    1 460 m (Basic weight variant)
Turn-around time    25 mins
Crew    Pilots: 2, Cabin crew: 2
Seating configuration
(Factory default config)    Y: 68, C: 0, F: 0

2x Pratt & Whitney Canada PW150A
27 986 kg (Standard)    7 989 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    950 NM    710 kg / hr    23 314 500 USD
Lease: 295 120 USD / month
28 988 kg (+1.0 tn MTOW)    8 670 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    1250 NM    730 kg / hr    23 832 600 USD
Lease: 301 680 USD / month
29 257 kg (+1.2 tn MTOW)    8 670 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    1400 NM    740 kg / hr    24 264 350 USD
Lease: 307 140 USD / month
29 574 kg (+1.6 tn MTOW)    9 123 kg   Payload vs. range Range map    1510 NM    760 kg / hr    24 566 580 USD
Lease: 310 970 USD / month

Source: EU#2

Offline swiftus27

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2010, 05:31:35 PM »
Sorry I was wrong about the speed.... thats the earlier versions...  But, on a 300nm route or less they will arrive at almost the same time.
BUT... the biggest missing part of what is listed above is when they are released...

the 300 comes out in 1989
the 200 comes out in 1995
the Q400 doesnt come out until 2000

Offline CUR$E - God of AirwaySim

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2010, 05:55:27 PM »
Exact. At release, Q400 would be the best prop in most cases. Until this time, ATR, Fokker50, Saab2000 and DHC-8-100/200/300 have their own pros (and cons).

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2010, 06:00:49 PM »
And, despite my tax return I suspect the C Checks have busted me.  >:(

Offline swiftus27

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2010, 06:15:09 PM »
Dave, I looked at your route map.  While it is great you are flying to many major cities, you need to realize that your most profitable flights are among your shortest.  Why are you not flying any routes under ~400nm?

Offline Wing Commander Chad Studdington

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2010, 06:23:29 PM »
I am, I've got Heathrow, De Gaulle and Schipol in there. And they have been my most profitable, although for reasons I don't understand my two big earning De Gaulle flights have gone from and 70-80% LF to 50% in no time at all, CI has gone up, no new flights, I've lowered prices and have a big ad campaign on.  :-\

Offline swiftus27

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Re: It's C-Check Season!
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2010, 08:26:44 PM »
I am, I've got Heathrow, De Gaulle and Schipol in there. And they have been my most profitable, although for reasons I don't understand my two big earning De Gaulle flights have gone from and 70-80% LF to 50% in no time at all, CI has gone up, no new flights, I've lowered prices and have a big ad campaign on.  :-\

Ads only help RI so don't do them if your RI is 100 already.
Did someone else start flying those routes?

I was just saying that you need to fly more within Britain.

God, I never knew CDG and Schiphol were within 400nm of you.  Heck, San Francisco is over 500 mi away from Los Angeles.... Distances in Europe are so much shorter.

 

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