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Author Topic: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering  (Read 2080 times)

Offline swiftus27

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New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« on: April 20, 2010, 02:43:45 PM »
Make sure you are looking at the delivery times when you are ordering planes.

For instance, I saw that a newer player had ordered a couple new TU 204s.  The Tu 204 won't be out for almost 8 years! 

Just an FYI to my fellow players.

DenisG

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2010, 02:46:43 PM »
That's called 'second-mover advantage'.

 ;D

Denis

Offline mtnlion

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2010, 03:13:43 PM »
Maybe that was part of his 'long-term growth strategy'.  ;D

Offline Runner

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2010, 03:15:30 PM »
Really long term: 1994 is only on June 30th real time!  :o

zorbon

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2010, 03:54:00 PM »
he gets a discount for being the first to order it doesn't he? :D

If he invest the money now while he has it, he'll force him self to keep his bottom line down low, and reap the rewards of his foresight.

Offline k900

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2010, 11:21:23 PM »
he gets a discount for being the first to order it doesn't he? :D

If he invest the money now while he has it, he'll force him self to keep his bottom line down low, and reap the rewards of his foresight.
and be able to pay for running a Tupolev  ::)

Offline swiftus27

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2010, 11:25:28 PM »
The 204 is really one of the few Soviet gems.  It is almost a 757 and doesnt suffer from the massive disadvantages its Soviet counterparts did.

Mascalzone

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2010, 11:51:36 PM »
The problem is that the time you realize it, is too late   :laugh:

I think Mr. Tupolev will be really grateful to tahat guy  ;D

Offline Sigma

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2010, 01:23:05 AM »
The 204 is really one of the few Soviet gems.  It is almost a 757 and doesnt suffer from the massive disadvantages its Soviet counterparts did.


Still not sure why everyone thinks this.

Take a look at all the figures.  It's a 737 alternative, not a 757 one.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2010, 01:36:33 AM »
the 204 has the same turn time as a 757
the 204s pax capacity is slightly smaller than the 757
the speed is within .01 mach

The only major difference is the really weak range of the 204... 

the 204 uses a ton more fuel than the 737

Offline Sigma

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2010, 01:50:15 AM »
the 204 has the same turn time as a 757
the 204s pax capacity is slightly smaller than the 757
the speed is within .01 mach

The only major difference is the really weak range of the 204...  

the 204 uses a ton more fuel than the 737

That "only difference" is a mighty big one, since range is ultimately the defining characteristic between most aircraft.  Compared to the TU-204...

A 752 seats about 10% more passengers.
A 752 consumes about 20% less fuel
A 752 can carry those passengers almost twice as far.

A 10% increase in revenue with a 20% decrease in fuel costs is HUGE.  That's north of a 20% per-seat pricing advantage over the competition -- i.e. where a 757-200 could turn a profit at $100/seat, a TU-204 would need to charge $120.

Now compare the TU-204 with a 737-400:

A 734 seats about 10% fewer pax, so you lose revenue, BUT
A 734 uses a full 35% less fuel
A 734 still manages to have significantly more range than the Tu204, in the range of 200-1000NM more
A 734 takes only HALF the turnaround time (which can easily make up for the 10% fewer pax in many cases)
A 734 requires 1200ft less runway to land, the Tu204 runway req limits its capacity at many locations, reducing its pax advantage greatly
A 734 requires 20% less flight attendant staff
A 734 is much closer in upfront costs and, after consider major maintenances, will likely cost less in fixed costs than a TU204 and save many tens of millions more in variable costs


In the end, a TU-204 is FAR more closer to the 737 than a 757.  It's a a 734 that seats 18 more people, sucks about 35% more fuel, doesn't fly as far, and needs more runway and staff to operate.

« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 01:57:28 AM by Sigma »

DenisG

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2010, 09:44:46 AM »
How often have we had that discussion yet?  ;D

Yes, the Tu-204 is comparable to the 737-400, not the 757-200!!!

And there the Tu-204 looses big way.

Denis

Offline swiftus27

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2010, 01:39:45 PM »
yes, why are we comparing the planes again?

we all know the soviets were at a massive disadvantage. 

DenisG

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2010, 02:34:35 PM »
We should open a thread on Tu-204 vs B737-400/B757-200 and make it sticky in every forum...
 ;D

Denis

Offline swiftus27

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2010, 04:03:43 PM »
made this just for you all

DenisG

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2010, 04:04:55 PM »
That's nice, but I miss the red star!
Denis

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 11:54:44 PM »

..oh and make sure you order the right variant. I accidentially ordered 2x MD81 while I was intending to place an order for MD-83s ... lé fu....  :P
« Last Edit: April 21, 2010, 11:56:47 PM by sami »

Offline k900

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2010, 02:33:49 AM »
yes, why are we comparing the planes again?

we all know the soviets were at a massive disadvantage. 

Comparing (not that there is a comparison to be made, imo) because you said......

"The 204 is really one of the few Soviet gems.  It is almost a 757 and doesnt suffer from the massive disadvantages its Soviet counterparts did."

Cubic Zirconia, indeed.  ;)


Offline TK1244

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Re: New Player Warning: Plane Ordering
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2010, 09:53:06 PM »
..oh and make sure you order the right variant. I accidentially ordered 2x MD81 while I was intending to place an order for MD-83s ... lé fu....  :P
Yep, that is what I've learned at Dawn of the Millennium, do NOT hurry when you order a brand new aircraft :P
TK Regional

 

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