Unrealistic...slots and airlines...more regulation required.
swiftus27:
Sami, I will come to your defense.
Some others sound like they are whining because someone is ahead of you.
Don't you know what times airports like LHR and SYD are open by now? Haven't people complained that LHR gets full too quickly in almost every game? WELCOME TO REAL LIFE. There are airlines whose biggest asset is slots at LHR. These airlines will fly empty planes just to keep the slot because they are appreciating in value faster than the fuel they are burning.
Why should LHR be open 24h in game when it isnt in real life?
The prop ban idea is a joke. As long as the airline owner pays the same amount to take off and land, he should be allowed to fly.
jumbo Mouse:
Swiftus27
Yes LHR is closed 23-06 because the takeoff path 09L/R is over the queens palace, also for approach 27L/27R. However, my point is, that LHR has been complained about many times in the past because of slots, and thats the point, nothing was done about it! Do you think LHR ran out of slots in 1966, so how did Virgin Atlantic, Emirates, Qatar and so on and so on get slots in the 80's, think before you talk man.....
We are asking for a game fix, I have no problem running my routes and making cash, I am actually on the first page of airlines, money wise, but as for expansion from 1966, it is non existant, and we ask this problem be reasonable addressed.....more to reality....
Swiftus, you may think the prob ban is a joke, maybe look up something on stage 1 and stage 2 noise abatement requirements in Europe, it will be a reality....ur a joke!
JM
Misterfeep:
I have a possible recommendation that would add "realism" and address some of the concerns about rapid expansion early in the game and slot limits. Place severe penalties on negative cash balances. As it is now, you can have a negative cash balance and still buy fuel, pay your staff, and (despite what the manual may say) keep you a/c maintained. All while going further into the red. This encourages risky behavior such as acquiring large numbers of a/c quickly early in the game. It is also "unrealistic". It assumes employees and fuel suppliers are carrying the debt load for the carrier by continuing to supply labor and fuel even though they are not being paid. If you charge a high interest rate (which a bank would for a short-term unsecured loan to a start-up company with no real assets) for being in the red and then bankrupted the carrier quickly, early growth would be much slower.
I am at IAD in Jet Age and I am the dominant carrier. There are two others. One of them has had a negative value (and I am sure negative cash balance) for most of the game. He is 5 million in the red on value with 6 leased jets. He will bankrupt at some point but it seems to me he is already past the point where any reasonable supplier would be selling him fuel on credit!
Daveos:
Hopefully the issue will be resolved a bit in the next version then from what Sami said. Slots do increase year on year to model progress in techology, such as reduced seperation and improved aircraft performance - http://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,8446.0.html. I guess maybe trying to grab some of these will help, but in v1.2 the removal of third leg routes will help this, as it'll stop non-based carriers setting up through bases. (I appreciate that isn't much use for you now!)
I can see that ~56% of the slots are controlled by the airlines based there in the game, which is actually remarkably realistic. At LHR now, BA hold 41%, bmi holds 11% and Virgin 3%.
The slot situation is frustrating (I'm based in HKG with 1 runway) but we don't have government panels for anti-monopoly rulings and slots cannot be bought or sold, which maybe a solution one day. This article here shows that bmi's slots were valued at 660million at the end of 2008. I can imagine that this would be a near impossibility to model - think how difficult this is in real life.
This lack of slots at some major airports is a trade off in the game to stop airlines growing too quickly, but over time as airlines bankrupt and CEO's get bored, the slot situation will improve. If slots were too easy to get straight away, then anyone at airports with less demand would not have a chance in catching the biggest airlines. This trade off in some ways acts as regulation to prevent airlines becoming too big too quickly.
The introduction of noise regulations is a nice twist to the game, with maybe hushkits etc being available.
Dave :)
jumbo Mouse:
Wow
Nice to hear someone with some sense and education on the issue...well done.
Basically we need to implement someway to stop the slot grab, Atlantic Express at LHR leased every piece of junk he could find to fill slots, operating upto 10 different types, that unreasonable, and we need a way to stop that behaviour!! - its totally unrealistic!!!
I propose slots be sold seperatly.....and restrictions per airline based off aircraft type and origin. You cant have 50 DC3'S carring 10 people Grabbing all the slots...which could happen, and all they do is fly up the road and back......this would make the international airport domestic.... Maybe a certain amount of slots can be nominated international foreign, international home base, domestic and regional.....that way the ratio of flights would fit in the real category for that airport.
Just a thought
JM
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