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type45:
787 is designed for long thin routes, which is the major type of my long haul market. I don't think it can make a lot of money for me, but I expect it can still make a profit. However here are the numbers:
Sold tickets 750 779 USD
Line maintenance (A+B) -18 888 USD
Insurance -92 696 USD
Fuel cost -379 562 USD
Route fees (1) -136 975 USD
Weekly leasing cost -456 145 USD
Total -333 487 USD
(I'm the launch customer so I've enjoyed the 10% discount on leasing already)
the config is F4C10Y200 flying 3 times weekly on SAEZ - PHNL - KPDX - PHNL - SAEZ
yes, I have some planes can make a profit, all flying routes >6000nm
but why I use 787 to fly those routes if 767 can do with less fuel burn, only a bit smaller in pax number and fly "a bit" slower? ;)
especially there are no cargo in the game, this make the plane even less profitable to airlines relayed on long haul flight
the range between my base and Middle east cities are 6000+km, East Asia cities are 8000-10500km, even Europe cities are 5300-7200km. I don't mind to stay in a bad hub, but please give me something as good as I can have in real life ;)
I thing most of the players do not have this kind of problem as the don't need such a long range, but for those who have a similar situation, the high fuel burn and no cargo can be deadly
it is not making sense at all, sami. ;) 787 is just a deadly product under current config/fuel burn. This take place at the routes which 787 designed for. ;) If this is something happened in real world I don't think 787 can get so many orders ;)
please review the fuel burn, try to make it bigger to put more pax/cargo, or even introduce financial leasing system, to make it work like Beoing designed.
lilius:
Type> I agree there must be something skewed with the ingame performance of the 787. What I meant how I cant see making it any profit at all is "in game".
The problem with more obscure hubs like south-america will always be the distances of course but on the other hand the competition is lighter or non existant on domestic routes. If you want to fly "shorter" there are plenty of hubs in NA and Europe to pick :)
schro:
Sami has stated in the past that the 787 fuel burn numbers are set to projections that are pretty close to the 767 fuel burn and will change when/if the actual performance data on the plane turns out better than it currently is.
I can't make any money with my 777-300ER's even running them pretty full...
kone_alta:
Quote from: schro on February 23, 2010, 12:03:43 AM
Sami has stated in the past that the 787 fuel burn numbers are set to projections that are pretty close to the 767 fuel burn and will change when/if the actual performance data on the plane turns out better than it currently is.
I can't make any money with my 777-300ER's even running them pretty full...
Due to the production slot problem on both A350 and 787 series(not exist anymore) I've order 30x787-9, but because the problem resolved I decided to cancel these orders because 787's fuel burn is not efficicent (compare to my 767 fleet and even A358 in game setting) and better fleet commonality (that's why I've ordered 117 A350 and more will be coming)
Totally I run 72 77W and they are my backbone to my profit(which 10 of them are for D check replacement)
The point to make good profit is old saying: own as much as you can and run a large number of it. :)
schro:
Quote from: kone_alta on February 23, 2010, 08:42:24 AM
Due to the production slot problem on both A350 and 787 series(not exist anymore) I've order 30x787-9, but because the problem resolved I decided to cancel these orders because 787's fuel burn is not efficicent (compare to my 767 fleet and even A358 in game setting) and better fleet commonality (that's why I've ordered 117 A350 and more will be coming)
Totally I run 72 77W and they are my backbone to my profit(which 10 of them are for D check replacement)
The point to make good profit is old saying: own as much as you can and run a large number of it. :)
I've seen your 77W fleet around. You've got a bit of an advantage that you've got a home airport that can actually support 77W levels of capacity to more than 3 destinations. I would be doing just fine with them if I owned them, but seeing as how I joined halfway into the game, I've been rather busy playing catchup. I was actually doing well on routes that you were on - they were some of my more profitable 77W routes.
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