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Author Topic: [ok] Aircraft upgrades  (Read 7037 times)

Offline Mr Yoda

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2013, 01:42:28 PM »
back in 2009:

http://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,16458.msg76855/topicseen.html#msg76855

In AWS, everything has been mentioned before....
Well I meant in other topics.

Offline hmellouli

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2013, 02:03:40 PM »
Why use Bolts if Duct Tape will do?! Many Technicians for not to be named low cost 'airlines' from Turkey use that strategy to repair cruxial parts of their planes (i.e. the weather radar cover and similar things) ;D

U sure it's not speed tape? i really hope it is :)

Offline Jona L.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2013, 03:46:59 PM »
U sure it's not speed tape? i really hope it is :)

Well, just some tape with glue on it... might have been TESAť®-Film LOL

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2013, 08:39:01 AM »
Sharklets cannot be retrofitted, requires factory-built stronger wing etc. (though all new wings should be such these days)

(just fyi)

Sorry, not to be vindictive or anything. I was reading Flight International the other week and it stated that JetBlue was planning on retro fitting all of their A320s with sharklets, because all of their aircraft already have the structural enhancements on the wing out of the factory. So the retrofit is possible in some circumstances. Don't know any other airlines who are doing them but sure there are some.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 01:13:34 PM by alexgv1 »
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Offline Sami

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2013, 10:18:06 AM »
Yea, I was under impression that it is not possible.

However would probably then been "not possible as it is too expensive"  :P

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2013, 02:38:10 PM »
Yea, I was under impression that it is not possible.

However would probably then been "not possible as it is too expensive"  :P

here's some more info http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.aspx?id=/article-xml/avd_02_25_2013_p03-01-552126.xml

It says they're going to retrofit most of their fleet, but the older aircraft will take 14-21 days to retrofit.  From the article it sounds like it's worth it for them both because their average flight is so long the fuel savings adds up more, and because they will be able to cut out some fuel stops on trans-continental flights that they have to make now.

Offline hmellouli

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2013, 03:30:38 PM »
Yup, I actually work at JetBlue, in one of the departments that is dealing with this.  the plan is to retrofit most of the A320 fleet.

here is the what they will do with the wing of the older A320 acft to strengthen it: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/assets_c/2011/11/A320-Sharklet-Rib-Changes-148157.html

so in short, most A320 acft should be upgrade-able.

the saving in fuel from sharklet and winglets is around 3-5% in fuel, which is really valuable if you spend $60M a month in fuel like my AWS airline, which would make being able to retrofit the aircraft in AWS a really great feature, especially for a long term game.

« Last Edit: May 01, 2013, 03:33:06 PM by hmellouli »

Offline Andre

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2013, 07:07:00 PM »
I suggest that implementing an aircraft upgrade or modification function could be done in coordination with a future cargo feature. Cargo and combi convertions would be a natural addition to the game.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2013, 11:55:23 AM »
Back to this topic. This is actually easy to code, if we'd have the data. Since it's just a matter of "item, price, effect to aircraft [-2% fuel for example]".

But it would need the data. I know that you can hushkit a B727 or DC-9 (or MD-80 even?) to make the noise smaller, or put winglets on a B767 but we'd need a full list of (nearly) everything on this.

So once again I'd call for volunteers who would be willing to get some data. Basically so that just pick the list of planes in AWS (http://www.airwaysim.com/Information/Aircraft/ ) and do a list what upgrades each model can get. Just a list of items would be enough, price and the effect to noise certification, fuel burn etc can be derived if no such data is available.


(also for ref; another topic on same issue http://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,43287.0.html )

Offline hmellouli

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2013, 11:57:57 AM »
count me in.

Offline Sami

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #50 on: July 21, 2013, 12:29:35 AM »
Upgrades have now been technically built into the system, and all what is needed is the data and a small interface page to buy the upgrades.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2013, 11:55:46 AM »
Anyways, if someone is willing to help you can gather here a list of hushkit upgrades that are available for our database's planes. Let's start with that.

Just the model (engine?) and a link for reference is enough for now. I've added already DC-9, F28 and MD-80 for testing purposes.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2013, 12:35:21 PM »
MD-80 can also be made Stage 4 and save some fuel with this mod - http://www.dugankinetics.com/ep-80-ejector-tr/ep-80-overview

727 kits are available from FedEx - http://www.fedex.com/us/hushkit/configuration/

731/732 - http://www.avaero.com/hushkit.htm

I'd imagine, that in general, any hushkit that works on the DC-9 or 727 will work on any JT8D powered aircraft (thus, 731/732 as well).

It looks like the 707 has kits available, but there was also a program by P&W to re-engine it with JT8D-219s. N707JT wouldn't be flying around without one...

DC-8 has a hushkit as well as the super-70's re-engine.

Offline ZombieSlayer

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #53 on: July 21, 2013, 02:12:06 PM »
DC-8-7X CFM performance data:

Flight Profile:
http://contentzone.eurocontrol.int/aircraftperformance/details.aspx?cgn=&cg=&ICAO=DC87

Douglas Article:
http://www.dc-8jet.com/0-dc870-conv-dc-flt-mag.htm

Flight Global article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1982/1982%20-%202417.PDF

Freight model payload/range charts:

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/startup/pdf/freighters/DC-8F_perf.pdf

Boeing Performance Data, all DC-8 models:

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/dc8sec3.pdf (pax peformance charts for -71, -72, -73 on pages 55-57)

Highlights:
CFM56-2 power, 22k thrust
Takeoff Field reduced 7-10% (Takeoff filed from 3300m to 3100m)
Fuel burn reduced 12-20% (-73 range increase from 5000nm to ~5300nm with 201 pax)
Certification: April 1982
Conversion cost: $18 Million
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #54 on: July 25, 2013, 06:28:56 PM »
Anything else on hushkit department?

Got these: DC-9, MD-80, BAC 1-11, B727, B737-100/200, F28, DC-8, B707

Offline hmellouli

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Re: [ok] Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2013, 09:12:12 PM »
Thanks for implementing. can we add winglets?

Cost info for Boeing: http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products_list_prices.php

Sharklet for A320 series: http://theflyingengineer.com/2013/03/18/a320-sharklets-factory-installation-vs-production-retrofit/

Also, maybe some of those options can be added to new/used aircraft order screen, as they are optional items in RL.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2013, 09:14:15 PM by hmellouli »

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Re: [ok] Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2013, 09:59:27 PM »
Teflon coating possible?

Offline EsquireFlyer

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Re: [ok] Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2013, 10:36:43 PM »
Teflon coating possible?

Afterburners plx

 

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