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Author Topic: [ok] Aircraft upgrades  (Read 7041 times)

Offline BobTheCactus

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2011, 08:21:33 PM »
I have thought of one problem with this idea, although I am fully an advocate of it.

It is all fair and good if you change engines or MTOW on a B737 or A320 because it will still be a B737 or A320.

However, if you change MTOW on, say, and E175STD its increased range would make it an E175LR for example. As far as the game goes this is completely a different plane and would effect global statistics of planes, is it really possible to change what the aircraft is in this way. It would change aircraft value, generally increasing it for the longer range variants.


I'd assume that you would only be able to change MTOW to another MTOW that is available for the specific aircraft in the first place.
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »
The MTOW changes won't be modeled at all.

Since in some cases they are just paperwork to recertify for the new weight, but sometimes they require other (structural) changes and I have no way of telling which is which. Plus all the problems with the system handling them as different model like in E170s cases.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2011, 05:31:02 PM »
My final example is, say, to keep engine commonality on Airbus A300B2, you change all the Pratt and Whitney engines to General Electric, then your aircraft will be changing from A300B2-120 to A300B2-100. However I believe these aircraft could be condensed into just the Airbus A300B2-100, A300B2-200, A300B4-100, etc and each has two engine choices.

Because no other airbus has the designation changed for engines, only the A300. e.g. the A380 is always an A380-800 in game, not A380-860 or A380-840 depending on engine choice, so it is wierd because the A300 is the exception. Plus is looks messy in my opinion having so many different A300s.

I notice that you have implemented this Sami (having just seen in DOTM#2). Thank you for taking this on board :)
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2013, 04:33:24 AM »
Sami, do you think some of smaller mods (specifically winglets, and sharklets in later years) could be added? i think they will become important in a few game years in MT8, with both fuel prices probably sky rocketing and those devices becoming popular around that period.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2013, 08:52:54 AM »
So besides the 757 and 727 what didn't come with these from the factory

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2013, 09:47:05 AM »
So besides the 757 and 727 what didn't come with these from the factory

Early 767 and 737 (even NG) models as well.
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2013, 11:45:42 AM »
I thought that the NG was standard with winglets (with one exception) with these but some of the classics were not. 

I forgot about the 767, good call.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2013, 03:38:58 PM »
Winglets are standard on the NG now (minus the -600), but some of the birds from 1998 are ugly ducklings with their eyebrow windows and no winglets.
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Offline Mr Yoda

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2013, 04:00:52 PM »
Winglets installing haven't been mentioned before! And this idea sounds good to me.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2013, 04:19:10 PM »
Winglets installing haven't been mentioned before! And this idea sounds good to me.

back in 2009:

http://www.airwaysim.com/forum/index.php/topic,16458.msg76855/topicseen.html#msg76855

In AWS, everything has been mentioned before....

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2013, 10:01:18 PM »
In AWS, everything has been mentioned before....

Massive LOL on that one...  

This is page 1 of THIS thread!

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2013, 11:09:41 PM »
Massive LOL on that one...  

This is page 1 of THIS thread!

yeah... dated 2009... still, what's 4 years between posts... :)

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2013, 04:43:17 AM »
Early 767 and 737 (even NG) models as well.

A320s get sharklets in 2012 as well.

even though it's only a few fleet types, they are very popular, and most healthy airlines have a fleet that can use winglets.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2013, 10:09:11 AM »
A320s get sharklets in 2012 as well.

even though it's only a few fleet types, they are very popular, and most healthy airlines have a fleet that can use winglets.

read up like 6 posts.   Sharklets are standard on those Airbus planes.  In terms of upgrades, only a few planes had any after market winglets.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2013, 11:07:58 AM »
read up like 6 posts.   Sharklets are standard on those Airbus planes.  In terms of upgrades, only a few planes had any after market winglets.

I think they are certifying a retrofit, more airlines might take them up. Having a half sharklet and half wingtip fence fleet isn't good eye candy now  :laugh:
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2013, 11:10:36 AM »
Sharklets cannot be retrofitted, requires factory-built stronger wing etc. (though all new wings should be such these days)

(just fyi)

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2013, 01:27:28 PM »
I stand corrected, I still can't decide which I prefer the look of.
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Offline Jona L.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2013, 03:09:28 PM »
I stand corrected, I still can't decide which I prefer the look of.

Airbus with Sharklets is okay, but with Winglets it looks like a failed copy of Boeing LOL.

I'd like to see a plane with half on half, now that would be funny ;D

Offline hmellouli

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2013, 04:11:51 PM »
Sharklets cannot be retrofitted, requires factory-built stronger wing etc. (though all new wings should be such these days)

(just fyi)

actually, they could be retrofitted. part of the upgrade is wing strengthening. the airline I work for is doing that with the A320 fleet.
like you said though, the A320s built the last couple of years have had the wing stregthning already done, so the retrofit for this is basically bolt off the fence and bolt on the sharklet.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2013, 04:15:21 PM by hmellouli »

Offline Jona L.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2013, 09:04:26 PM »
so the retrofit for this is basically bolt off the fence and bolt on the sharklet.

Why use Bolts if Duct Tape will do?! Many Technicians for not to be named low cost 'airlines' from Turkey use that strategy to repair cruxial parts of their planes (i.e. the weather radar cover and similar things) ;D

 

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