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Author Topic: [ok] Aircraft upgrades  (Read 7044 times)

tofen

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[ok] Aircraft upgrades
« on: December 05, 2009, 12:58:26 PM »
In real life, many airlines makes upgrades to there aircraft to adapt them more profitable and to there specific needs. I think this could be a really good feature if implemented in the game. I know there was a thread ut a few days ago about winglets, but this could be so much more than just winglets.

Upgrades could be a lot of different things. everything from MTOW changes (which is usualy just a "paper-mod") to more advanced things.
Some examples:

MTOW changes: Gives your plane more range (if increased) or lower landing fees (if decreased, don't know if that's modeled in the game though).
Winglets: Increases fuel efficiency and extends range.
Engine upgrades: On for example 727s or 737-100/200/Adv, was quite common to swap engines to gain better fuel economy or better range. Of course, you shouldn't be able to swap PWs for GEs on a 767, but changing from JT8D-15 to JT8D-17 on a 737 should be possible.
747 SUD conversion: Gives you more room for passengers on the upper deck, since the "hump" is extended to -300 size.
767 standard to ER conversion: Gives you a hole lot more range, and it has been done IRL.
MD-81 & -82 upgrades to -82 & -83: To get the better range of the later versions. Mostly a "paper-mod" as far as I know.
DC-8 super 70 conversion: Gives you a complete overhauled plane with CFM engines instead of JT3Ds.
DC10 to MD10 conversion: Shares the same cockpit and type rating as the MD11 (Could be counted as the same fleet group).
Convair CV-240/340 engine upgrades: A lot of planes where upgraded to -540, -580, -600, -640 and -5800 with new engines to get better fuel economy.
787 engine changes: The 787 is build to be able to change from GE to RR, or the other way around. So that you can have commonality with the rest of your fleet.
Cargo conversions: If cargo ever makes it to AirwaySim.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2013, 07:36:23 PM by sami »

Miller11

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 04:44:06 PM »
I like this Idea ;D

Ilyushin

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2010, 05:51:41 PM »
BUMP, this is a brilliant idea and Sami never replied to it. I'd like this to be invented, a lot! ;D

Offline raptorva

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 05:53:41 AM »
This kind of thing has been brought up before but as far as I know it was deemed too much to code for what really affects the sim in only a small way. The kind of thing I do see being useful however is being able to re-engine aircraft such as the Super 60's and 707's with the newer engines which did in fact take place in the real world.

First though I'd like to see noise restrictions actually become active in AWS rather than just an interesting not on the aircraft information screen.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 01:40:34 PM »
First though I'd like to see noise restrictions actually become active in AWS rather than just an interesting not on the aircraft information screen.

Yes then this opens up options like adding hush kits to old engines or re-engining as you mentioned.
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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 12:09:34 AM »
To make upgrades worthwhile, then all engine types shouldn't be available upon an aircraft's launch (i.e. the JT8D-17R's becoming available immediatly upon the launch of the 732)...

This has already been discussed a bit with the DC-8 re-engining with CFM56's and it was denied at that time...

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 05:57:25 PM »
To make upgrades worthwhile, then all engine types shouldn't be available upon an aircraft's launch (i.e. the JT8D-17R's becoming available immediatly upon the launch of the 732)...

Yeah that would be good, it's just a case of collecting data of engine releases and whether it cancelled out the previous versions.

I am also a big advocate of what you say for this point.
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Ansettaddict123

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2010, 02:31:12 AM »
+1 !!!!

Great idea! especially as manufacturers continually update their aircraft with things that can be retrofitted to older models. ie: MTOW increases

Branmuffin

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2010, 07:17:41 AM »
This is an excellent idea!  In particular, re-engining would be excellent!

Offline PiaDijkstra

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2010, 08:45:04 AM »
+1


LOT767

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 03:58:56 AM »
+1!!!

Branmuffin

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 04:29:10 AM »
It seems like this idea, especially if implemented with the ability to retrofit engines with hushkits to meet noise regulations (which I think are modeled, right?) would be an excellent idea.

Offline TK1244

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 03:14:18 PM »
Nice idea, what about the 727-100 conversion from three P&W JT8D-7 to three RR Tay 651-54?
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Offline ACDennison

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2010, 11:33:21 PM »
Sounds interesting - maybe there could also be options to refurbish an aircraft, effectivelly reducing it's age and flight hours?  But all the above sound good  :)
 

LOT767

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2010, 07:59:07 AM »
Sounds interesting - maybe there could also be options to refurbish an aircraft, effectivelly reducing it's age and flight hours?  But all the above sound good  :)

Thats a good idea, for example do like Allegiant. Buy old aircraft and refurbish them, I read somewhere they bought their MD-80's for 4 Million a pop thats not too bad. Also, maintance should not go up with age but go according to how popular the said airplane is. I understand paying 1.5Mil for a "C" check on the TU-134 or 154, but if you take any of the game worlds now there are literally hundreds of Boeing/Airbus/MD aircraft in service for sale on order etc, due to how popular they are their obviosuly would be more parts trained tech's manuals etc so maintance should be cheaper according to the popularity it should be more affordable to run a 20+ y/o AC than it is now.

Offline swiftus27

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2010, 12:37:47 PM »
They thought of doing some of the Super 70 stuff to old 707s but 9/11 killed that idea off.

They currently refit 727s in the USA too.  The outboard engines are replaced with MD88 engines and the center engine is hush kitted.

Offline pascaly

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2010, 11:01:19 PM »
The upgraded 727 is called a Super 27. 

I can see the benefit in this game for this type of feature.  Particularly when cargo is implemented.  20 year old 727s are gold for cargo, but the current costs for running that type of plane would have to be changed so as to not make it unprofitable.

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 08:47:32 PM »

Ilyushin

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 10:20:16 PM »
Requesting Kolesov RD-36-51 engines on Tu-144.

Offline alexgv1

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Re: Aircraft upgrades
« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2011, 12:55:39 PM »
I have thought of one problem with this idea, although I am fully an advocate of it.

It is all fair and good if you change engines or MTOW on a B737 or A320 because it will still be a B737 or A320.

However, if you change MTOW on, say, and E175STD its increased range would make it an E175LR for example. As far as the game goes this is completely a different plane and would effect global statistics of planes, is it really possible to change what the aircraft is in this way. It would change aircraft value, generally increasing it for the longer range variants.

Another issue is, say to increase the range of an MD81, it is not just an MTOW change but also changes the engines to uprated ones, for it to become an MD82 or MD83. If people could do this upgrade it could lead to people abusing the system because we know when the planes are released, they order a load of MD81s and then instead of converting orders they just change them when  they are delivered as an extra maintenance action.

My final example is, say, to keep engine commonality on Airbus A300B2, you change all the Pratt and Whitney engines to General Electric, then your aircraft will be changing from A300B2-120 to A300B2-100. However I believe these aircraft could be condensed into just the Airbus A300B2-100, A300B2-200, A300B4-100, etc and each has two engine choices.

Because no other airbus has the designation changed for engines, only the A300. e.g. the A380 is always an A380-800 in game, not A380-860 or A380-840 depending on engine choice, so it is wierd because the A300 is the exception. Plus is looks messy in my opinion having so many different A300s.
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